What is spiritual Enlightenment and is it worth the effort?

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posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 03:46 AM
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Originally posted by dominicus

I think we will have consciousness downloading tech within the next 100 years and we'll be able to download Enlightenment and all the advanced stuff directly. Although it may come sooner or later. Either way we are heading towards and Enlightened Utopia with small fragmented Fundamentalist groups that will be completely against it and will be the last remaining people to cause chaos on our earth (many hardliner skeptic atheist groups included)

We're heading there one way or another


Consciousness does not need to be downloaded - consciousness is always already the case.
Enlightenment is the realization of oneness - and oneness is never not the case, it is just not realized to be the case by the seeker.
'Sooner or later' are realized to be just a thought arising presently. There is no 'next' or 'before' - there is only ever this (what is happening).
When oneness is realized it is seen that no one 'else' needs to wake up because it is realized that there is no one.

There is nowhere to head to unless you believe what your head says. There is only here and now (presence) but the mind is always 'next' or 'before'.
Nothing is wanted or expected when oneness is realized - no more seeking, no more looking into time for a solution because it is seen that there is no problem.
When there is no problem there is a total relaxation into boundlessness. When there is a melting back into the whole - it feels delightful (for no one).

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posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 04:33 AM
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Alright there is a lot of walls of text with lots of good info posted thus far but it is as simple as asking 'what makes you happy' That is what enlightenment is all about, to remove the suffering from ones soul after that you can never again be depressed or sad or any of those bad feelings its really awesome. Just do what you feel is right and that simple fact makes it right. In your heart you know what being happy means live that feeling in everyday life.




posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by Agent008
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Alright there is a lot of walls of text with lots of good info posted thus far but it is as simple as asking 'what makes you happy' That is what enlightenment is all about, to remove the suffering from ones soul after that you can never again be depressed or sad or any of those bad feelings its really awesome. Just do what you feel is right and that simple fact makes it right. In your heart you know what being happy means live that feeling in everyday life.



If one is asking oneself 'what makes me happy?' then one is not happy already. If unhappiness is the case then seeking for happiness will happen.
When oneness is seeking, it is not feeling great (otherwise it would not be seeking any thing).
The realization that all there is is this (what is happening) will relieve one of seeking.

Nothing can make you happy. If one believes that 'something' can make them happy they will be greedy and needy and rarely satisfied.
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posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 10:29 AM
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What is spiritual Enlightenment and is it worth the effort?

It is definetly worth the effort.



posted on Mar, 24 2013 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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Seeking enlightenment is 'seeking'. It is the 'seeking' that stops one from realizing that this is already whole.
To look for more than there is - is seeking. Can anything outside of presence (now) be seen or heard? Even if there is a thought arising that speaks of tomorrow, it is arising presently. Nothing can arise outside of this nowness but the individual wants to know 'what is next' because it is 'seeking' something better. But there is nothing more than what is actually happening presently.

The energy that this is made of is contracted in the 'divided one' - so feels uncomfortable. This discomfort wants comfort and all it needs is to relax. When the energy relaxes it will melt back into wholeness.
The relaxation will not happen if there is a idea that there is relief elsewhere because it will strive to get to this non existent 'elsewhere'. The striving or seeking is what prevents oneness being realized.

In my opinion Tony Parsons is the most straight talking at explaining the apparent situation:
youtu.be...


Thanks for your wise words.

I'll give a look on the video tonight.

Dunno why, I feel like i start to become satisfied with my life.
The feeling is like 'That's it, I don't want anything anymore'
Close to this.

Really thank you for your guidance. I find they are extremely motivating.



posted on Mar, 24 2013 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by dodol

Thanks for your wise words.

I'll give a look on the video tonight.

Dunno why, I feel like i start to become satisfied with my life.
The feeling is like 'That's it, I don't want anything anymore'
Close to this.

Really thank you for your guidance. I find they are extremely motivating.


The only thing worth seeking is the cessation of seeking!!
youtu.be...

Glad you like what I offer and you are very, very welcome.

You might like this one as well:
Anticipating The Timeless:
youtu.be...
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posted on Mar, 25 2013 @ 06:09 AM
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I enjoyed the videos and understand it all. However, there is a difference to understanding and experiencing, I'm just not sure how to experience the "now" constantly. I think my problem is, I'm seeking comfort in desperate times and that seeking is getting in my way,but its so powerful a force filled with uncertainty. The other problem, is that I feel in a rush to find this enlightenment, which again is a counter intuitive state of mind.



posted on Mar, 25 2013 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
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I enjoyed the videos and understand it all. However, there is a difference to understanding and experiencing, I'm just not sure how to experience the "now" constantly. I think my problem is, I'm seeking comfort in desperate times and that seeking is getting in my way,but its so powerful a force filled with uncertainty. The other problem, is that I feel in a rush to find this enlightenment, which again is a counter intuitive state of mind.

Do not try to experience the now.
You cannot experience now - you are now!!

Trying is seeking - just give up because there is absolutely nothing you can do. It is hopeless because the more you try (seek) the more the 'separate self' is because the 'separate self' is nothing more than wholeness seeking.- when the seeking stops it is seen that it is already complete as this (whatever is happening presently).

The individual feels empty and tries to fill that emptiness with 'things' and achievements, it always looks for more. It makes for need, greed and little satisfaction. The individual thinks 'enlightenment' will be the ultimate achievement.
When wholeness is realized it is because one has realized emptiness but is always full of what is actually happening. It sees that there is only ever what is present and totally sees that there is nothing more available . This is it - presently. It is emptiness and fullness. It no longer seeks because it is complete.



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:38 PM
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I agree, from what I have heard it is the ultimate achievement.



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 10:49 PM
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I think you are perfectly right with your practice woodwardjnr so far as I can see.

Just proceed until you long for something more profound - and then try to reach out.
Enlightenment bears no virtue in itself - so why be hasty or even focused on a target that you can't comprehend right now.

You will know when it's time - and worth the effort - to set sail...

Ansar



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 11:07 PM
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posted on Mar, 31 2013 @ 01:59 AM
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I think the root of enlightenment lies in the heart, and it takes the whole body with it. Since the heart is the core of the being.

That, now that is not what we were guided to isn't it. One would suppose since all this enlightenment stuff is fed to our brain, that this somehow will be the root of enlightenment. Ah, at least I did think that. My perception is changing. But that doesn't mean I was right about the heart being the root.

I'm thinking about cultivating my heart more these days.



posted on Apr, 2 2013 @ 11:53 PM
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I think the difference between spiritual and intellectual enlightenment should be recognized in this thread.



posted on Apr, 14 2013 @ 09:31 PM
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Finally, reading a thread that sounds serious. Not some thread about some weed smoking teenagers talking about UFOs and aliens with links to bunch of Youtube clips....claiming he has been enlightened. Hahaha....


Enlightenment is about realizing your own, original nature. You are not working towards it. You are more or less slowly piercing through the illusions of life and death and to finally "discover" your own nature. In this case, the Buddha nature, that nothing is permanent and the ultimate reality is the void. Conceptually, these teaching of the dharma does not mean much. They only mean something to you if you put the effort and merits into understanding the nature of your attachment...you attachment to forms. Forms that are causing your suffering may not be so hard to see through. However, forms that give you pleasure in life may require a bit of work to get yourself unattached. As your cultivation progress advances, your body will go through a transformation. So as in your meditation as well. The Chi channels and all chakras would be opened as well.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 10:22 AM
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Being enlightened is to have a humble approach to enlightenment?
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posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 01:16 PM
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Hi there Angle!

So you seem to be pretty serious about gaining a perspective on enlightenment and what it is all about.

A good starting point for that may be "The 10 Oxen Pictures" taken from the Zen Tradition.
Leonard Cohen drew from them some special thoughts and Cat Stevens too.
Zen is about being "practical" in every day live - and quarrel - see the Samurai tradition.

I bet you could have fun with the oxen!

A



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 01:34 PM
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That was fine, thank you Ansar.



posted on Apr, 15 2013 @ 02:22 PM
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My pleasure Angle.

A





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