Originally posted by doclec
The title of the video states that the NRA was created to protect freed slaves which in my opinion was just a fortunate by-product of the organizations foundation.

I agree.

Originally posted by RalagaNarHallas
were their not African American members of the union army who did in fact benfit from this training and then go on to form their own militias to defend them selves? by that logic the ops video is spot on as they were training some African Americans how to shoot better(as union troops)?

The title says it was "created to protect free slaves". What your describing is a by-product of its creation, not the reason to create it in the first place.

This has already been said by doclec, but it just didn't seem to get through so it bears repeating.

Originally posted by polarwarrior

Originally posted by doclec
The title of the video states that the NRA was created to protect freed slaves which in my opinion was just a fortunate by-product of the organizations foundation.

I agree.

Originally posted by RalagaNarHallas
were their not African American members of the union army who did in fact benfit from this training and then go on to form their own militias to defend them selves? by that logic the ops video is spot on as they were training some African Americans how to shoot better(as union troops)?

The title says it was "created to protect free slaves". What your describing is a by-product of its creation, not the reason to create it in the first place.

This has already been said by doclec, but it just didn't seem to get through so it bears repeating.

edit on 18/3/13 by polarwarrior because: (no reason given)

After the Dred Scott decision, there were a proliferation of 2nd Amendment restrictive laws passed throughout the Democratic South. The NRA was formed as a special interest group to combat these laws. There were no gun control laws passed before the Dred Scott decision, as only whites could own guns. The only other gun control laws of the 18th century were in regard to Native Americans, which was also racially motivated to keep guns out of the hands of those whose land was being stolen from them.

So . . . whether it was their sole purpose or not is a red herring. That was their primary focus at the time. Although their charter was to simply uphold the 2nd, not protect any particular race.

But without deflections, how can we keep up the myth of the evil gun lobby and their causing a detriment to our safety. BTW - I don't personally support the NRA, for the simple fact that they openly side with one political aisle. However, it's always been the Democrats who want to pass anti-gun legsislation, so who can blame them.

Something that may or may not have been a contributing factor to the creation of the NRA is NOT the point? It's what has happened to your society as a result of it being so prolific that's the problem.

People aren't arguing against the reasons it was created, they're horrified by what it has caused.

This is just propaganda.

Originally posted by Duderood
Something that may or may not have been a contributing factor to the creation of the NRA is NOT the point? It's what has happened to your society as a result of it being so prolific that's the problem.

People aren't arguing against the reasons it was created, they're horrified by what it has caused.

This is just propaganda.

What has the NRA caused exactly? Please be specific.

The NRA didn't author the Bill of Rights, which is nothing more that a list of restrictions to what the Federal government can legislate. As far as the 2nd Amendent is concerned it is very specific, to this point, "shall not be infringed". In the US, if the states want to pass regulations on gun ownership . . . they can and several have. If the Federal Gov wants to "ban" guns they can at anytime . . . the procedures are very clear. Amend the Constitution by convening a conference to strike the 2nd. If it passes both houses of Congress and the President signs off . . . then two thirds of the states must ratify. Do this the feds can pass any laws they wish. America is still a nation of laws and procedures . . . we are not and have never been a democracy. The US is a Federation of United States.

The NRA isn't out commiting violent crime.

The NRA doesn't create the conditions that lead one to commit violent crime.

The NRA isn't manufacturing or selling firearms.

The only propaganda is coming from the anti-gun lobby in blaming the NRA for violence, which firearms are used in. Or, in making the argument that if the NRA wasn't around this country would be free of gun crime . . . not the case.

I know it is hard for someone in the UK to understand this concept, as you have never really had "rights" only privilages granted by a crown. The US fought to free themselves from this and restricted the central government from ruling against our individual liberties. It is no suprise to me that those in the UK aren't happy that some countries are still free from the tyranny of an overreaching government and buy into the Collectivist agruments to destroy liberty. No gun has ever stood up and started shooting people on its own . . . if they did the US wouldn't be 27th in the world in violent crime, while the UK is 4th.