In the UK the took our weapons now you will be fined if you complain

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posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 05:52 PM
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Thats it' all freedom is gone in the UK, All the media have to do a U turn and report what is really happening.

They took the weapons first, now you cant even complain and that will include any sites like ATS where you complain,

You will be be fined by a regulator who will decide what you can and can't say and not just in newspapers but church flyers, facebook twitter etc.

A school kid complaining about school meals on Facebook could be fined by the regulator.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk...




posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 05:57 PM
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Again I must point out that we can own guns If we want I have one 10 mins from me.
www.aaronwheelergunsmith.co.uk...

Oh and it is Alex Salmon



Oh and he hasn't passed any bill so it isn't happening. Did you even read it?
edit on 16-3-2013 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 05:59 PM
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lol the british msm along with the government censors most news stories anyway so whats the difference. IF the media would act responsibly and not jeapordise court cases or hack ppls phones for gossip then this wouldnt have happened.



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 05:59 PM
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That is never going to get through.

The UK has been taking hits to obvious restrictions in liberty, but theres no way this will get through, no way!

"It cannot be right that an industry already in crisis should be expected to pay for the regulation of the very thing that’s killing it off." - this is a great point.

Its bad for the government bad for the people and bad for business.



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
Again I must point out that we can own guns If we want I have one 10 mins from me.
www.aaronwheelergunsmith.co.uk...

Oh and it is Alex Salmon



Well Ive not got a gun and whats the chances I would be able to get a licence for one living in inner city Birmingham.

Eh' I m not complaining Ive not got a gun just mentioning it ( just incase I get fined for this in the future)



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by Biigs
That is never going to get through.

The UK has been taking hits to obvious restrictions in liberty, but theres no way this will get through, no way!

"It cannot be right that an industry already in crisis should be expected to pay for the regulation of the very thing that’s killing it off." - this is a great point.

Its bad for the government bad for the people and bad for business.


Well I think it will go through as thats the way they do things in the UK they start in Scotland or wales and if not to must opposition they roll it out to the rest of the UK,
Poll Tax
Secret Courts
Smoking in Public
Just to name a few.



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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www.dailyrecord.co.uk...
Checking the link;
"Freedom gone" is an exaggeration. Nothing has happened yet, except that a group of "experts" have produced a report "recommending" measures.
Therefore not "can be fined"- could be fined if the recommendations are adopted and then legislated.
The rationale is that it would apply to people supplying news and celebrity gossip. "Complaining about school meals" is just somebody's take about how it could be applied "in theory"..

"In UK" is also an exaggeration. Even as a report, it only applies to Scotland.

All this means that "NOW freedom gone" and "WILL be fined" are unnecessary exaggerations.
Freedoms only go when they are definitely taken away, not when somebody is vaguely thinking about taking them away.
You need to pay attention to the difference.
edit on 16-3-2013 by DISRAELI because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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Im not really against anything that reduces the pollution about celebrities we see in news constantly, but at the risk of stepping on the freedom to speak your mind, this will be squashed.



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:06 PM
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And the guy starting it is the guy who wants Scotland independent, this isn't coming from Westminster this is coming from Scotland so once again wrong.



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:10 PM
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edit on 16-3-2013 by Rikku because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by DISRAELI

www.dailyrecord.co.uk...
Checking the link;
"Freedom gone" is an exaggeration. Nothing has happened yet, except that a group of "experts" have produced a report "recommending" measures.
Therefore not "can be fined"- could be fined if the recommendations are adopted and then legislated.
The rationale is that it would apply to people supplying news and celebrity gossip. "Complaining about school meals" is just somebody's take about how it could be applied "in theory"..

"In UK" is also an exaggeration. Even as a report, it only applies to Scotland.

All this means that "NOW freedom gone" and "WILL be fined" are unnecessary exaggerations.
Freedoms only go when they are definitely taken away, not when somebody is vaguely thinking about taking them away.
You need to pay attention to the difference.
edit on 16-3-2013 by DISRAELI because: (no reason given)


Ok lets look at the facts, this is not an opinion, a board was set up and paid for by the tax payer,

McCluskey’s panel included David Sinclair, director of communications at Victim Support Scotland, legal academics Neil Walker and Peter Watson and journalist Ruth Wishart.

Ruth Wishart. I thought she was dead' This woman was a nutter from the seventies who tried to bring in laws under the umbrella of womans rights, she wanted woman covered up like muslim woman and if a man had sex with a woman he met and she regretted it 1 week later then she classed this as rape.

Im going to see what she has been up to' from what i remember she was never elected but was deemed the authority in everything.



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:20 PM
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reply to post by pavmas
 

The fact remains that something which might happen in the future is not NOW.
It is misleading to describe it as something that has already happened.
Wait until it happens, before you can truthfully say freedoms HAVE BEEN taken away.



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by pavmas
 

The fact remains that something which might happen in the future is not NOW.
It is misleading to describe it as something that has already happened.
Wait until it happens, before you can truthfully say freedoms HAVE BEEN taken away.






Look who were hand picked'' someone from Levy and Mcray, this company is involved in trying to gag the press regarding pedophiles.
Lord Mc Cluskey every type of report this guy has sat on has been adopted by the Scottish and Westminster Government.

Well if you think this wont come to pass then you are wrong and by that time you wont even be able to complain about it.
Lord McCluskey (Chair)

John Herbert McCluskey, Baron McCluskey was Solicitor General for Scotland from 1974 to 1979. During this period he worked on the then Labour government's proposals for devolution. Lord McCluskey became a member of the Judiciary in 1984 and presided for 16 years as a High Court judge over some of the country's most famous criminal cases. He retired in 2000. In 2011 he chaired the Independent Review Group examining the relationship of the High Court of Justiciary and the United Kingdom Supreme Court, whose recommendations were accepted both by the Scottish Parliament and the UK Government. Lord McCluskey was for many years chair of the judges for the Bank of Scotland Press Awards and also Vice President of the West of Scotland Press Fund (the Journalists’ Charity).

David Sinclair

David Sinclair has been head of Communications at Victims Support Scotland since 2006, he is a former assistant editor of The Herald, having worked there from 1975 – 2006 and was President of the National Union of Journalists in 1990-91.

Professor Neil Walker

Neil Walker - LLB, PhD, LLD (Honoris Causa) (Uppsala), FBA, FRSE - is Regius Professor of Public Law and the Law of Nature and Nations at the School of Law, University of Edinburgh His main area of expertise is constitutional theory. He has published extensively on the constitutional dimension of legal order at sub-state, state, supranational and international levels. Previously he taught public law at Edinburgh for ten years (1986-96), was Professor of Legal and Constitutional Theory at the University of Aberdeen (1996-2000), and, most recently, was Professor of European Law at the European University Institute in Florence (2000-8), where he was also the first Dean of Studies (2002-5). In December 2008 Professor Walker was asked by the Scottish Government to conduct an independent review of final appellate jurisdiction in the Scottish legal system.

Peter Watson

Peter is Senior Partner and Head of Litigation at Levy & McRae. Under his leadership, Levy & McRae has built up a worldwide reputation in areas of expertise such as media law, licensing, aviation, international claims, public inquiries, employment law and tax and revenue investigations. He is also a part-time Sheriff and Visiting Professor at the School of Law, University of Strathclyde, and is a former President of the Society of Media Lawyers, Chairman of the Association of Mediators and a Member of the Criminal Rules Council.

Ruth Wishart

Ruth Wishart is a journalist and broadcaster with extensive experience of the Scottish media. She has been a columnist with the Daily Record, columnist and Assistant Editor of the Sunday Mail, columnist and Assistant Editor of the Sunday Standard, and Senior Assistant Editor of the Scotsman. Currently she writes a column for Herald Society, and contributes regularly to The Scotsman. She has also presented radio series for Radio Scotland and Radio 4. With Deborah Orr and Paul Flynn she recently interviewed a range of journalists, the transcripts of which were used for Enquirer, the National Theatre of Scotland's response to the issues covered in the Leveson Inquiry.



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by pavmas

Well Ive not got a gun and whats the chances I would be able to get a licence for one living in inner city Birmingham.

Eh' I m not complaining Ive not got a gun just mentioning it ( just incase I get fined for this in the future)



Easy to get a gun licence

1) Police check as long as you are not a ex con or have a history of bad mental health.
2) You are a member of a gun club or you need a gun for your work.
3) A secure lockbox which can be checked at anytime by the police.

So again your OT is wrong.



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by pavmas

Originally posted by Biigs
That is never going to get through.

The UK has been taking hits to obvious restrictions in liberty, but theres no way this will get through, no way!

"It cannot be right that an industry already in crisis should be expected to pay for the regulation of the very thing that’s killing it off." - this is a great point.

Its bad for the government bad for the people and bad for business.


Well I think it will go through as thats the way they do things in the UK they start in Scotland or wales and if not to must opposition they roll it out to the rest of the UK,
Poll Tax
Secret Courts
Smoking in Public
Just to name a few.


I don't disagree with that list...

but can you name any more?



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by pavmas

Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by pavmas
 

The fact remains that something which might happen in the future is not NOW.
It is misleading to describe it as something that has already happened.
Wait until it happens, before you can truthfully say freedoms HAVE BEEN taken away.






Look who were hand picked'' someone from Levy and Mcray, this company is involved in trying to gag the press regarding pedophiles.
Lord Mc Cluskey every type of report this guy has sat on has been adopted by the Scottish and Westminster Government.

Well if you think this wont come to pass then you are wrong and by that time you wont even be able to complain about it.

Nevertheless, it remains true that even WILL come to pass is not the same thing as HAS come to pass.
Do you not understand that there is a difference?

One day it WILL come to pass that you lie in your grave.
But does it make sense for anyone to say that you are lying in your grave NOW?

The falsehood in your OP was "freedom HAS BEEN" taken away.
If you had said "may be" or "even will be" you would have got away with it.



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74

Originally posted by pavmas

Well Ive not got a gun and whats the chances I would be able to get a licence for one living in inner city Birmingham.

Eh' I m not complaining Ive not got a gun just mentioning it ( just incase I get fined for this in the future)



Easy to get a gun licence

1) Police check as long as you are not a ex con or have a history of bad mental health.
2) You are a member of a gun club or you need a gun for your work.
3) A secure lockbox which can be checked at anytime by the police.

So again your OT is wrong.


Handguns are banned but shot guns and rifles are allowed with a good reason to use for work or pest control on your land (or land where you have the permission to do so).

automatic or semi auto weapons are generally not allowed although some small caliber (.22) exceptions can be made.

I like guns and given the chance would own a 9mm for home defense if i was allowed to. The only reason for this being that criminals can get weapons where the average man has no chance, now the odds that someone breaking in to my house is armed is extremely small.

- Its hard to argue with the plain fact that its very unlikely you will be involved in a gun related crime and that if average law abiding people could own guns, more guns would be in circulation and more guns would end up in the wrong hands - requiring yet more guns to protect ourselves!



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by DISRAELI

Originally posted by pavmas

Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by pavmas
 

The fact remains that something which might happen in the future is not NOW.
It is misleading to describe it as something that has already happened.
Wait until it happens, before you can truthfully say freedoms HAVE BEEN taken away.






Look who were hand picked'' someone from Levy and Mcray, this company is involved in trying to gag the press regarding pedophiles.
Lord Mc Cluskey every type of report this guy has sat on has been adopted by the Scottish and Westminster Government.

Well if you think this wont come to pass then you are wrong and by that time you wont even be able to complain about it.

Nevertheless, it remains true that even WILL come to pass is not the same thing as HAS come to pass.
Do you not understand that there is a difference?

One day it WILL come to pass that you lie in your grave.
But does it make sense for anyone to say that you are lying in your grave NOW?

The falsehood in your OP was "freedom HAS BEEN" taken away.
If you had said "may be" or "even will be" you would have got away with it.


I bet Scotland has a press regulator in place by the end of the year and this will include for online also.

This goes deeper, the fact that they had someone on the board from Levy and Mc Rae tells me this will happen, they have been trying to shut people up for years such as Robert Green, Uk Column.

These people are dangerous, this and the leverson was a report no more no less, and they have change the wording a few times to call it "A Bill"



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:44 PM
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This man wants to make this illegal thing a pseudo law, but he probably won't be able to. If he does, do you bend over sideways and take it, or do you say, no you are out now! And I don't obey crimes against humanity. I will see you out and lose all your benefits and pensions, possibly even jail for such a signature on such a crime, it should be immediate jail sentence, and we will see that the law acts in the right ways so rethink and also resign quickly. I think some backbone is a good thing.



posted on Mar, 16 2013 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by Knobby

Originally posted by pavmas

Originally posted by Biigs
That is never going to get through.

The UK has been taking hits to obvious restrictions in liberty, but theres no way this will get through, no way!

"It cannot be right that an industry already in crisis should be expected to pay for the regulation of the very thing that’s killing it off." - this is a great point.

Its bad for the government bad for the people and bad for business.


Well I think it will go through as thats the way they do things in the UK they start in Scotland or wales and if not to must opposition they roll it out to the rest of the UK,
Poll Tax
Secret Courts
Smoking in Public
Just to name a few.


I don't disagree with that list...

but can you name any more?


Try Dunblane'
edition.cnn.com...





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