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Originally posted by Ben81
Originally posted by benrl
And people wonder why the push for gun control here in the states is so prevalent, Imagine what that happening in the states would look like with an armed populace.
Thats why they have to remove the guns from the populace before making a similar move
thiefs dont like victims who can defend themself
Originally posted by pjfry
Now both options are bad:
a) let all european taxpayers bail the banks out for 15 bil
b) let all european taxpayers bail the banks out for 10 bil and get the other 5 bil from the ppl who profited from the high interest rates over the years.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by Cabin
Thanks for your post. As least there is someone still searching for the truth.
Those who howl and yell bloody murder on EU's term best stick to the facts and not attempt to be vocally loud to stifle others.
1. If Cyprus had been so well managed, it would never had needed a bailout. It goes to show how mismanaged that they had been all along, and now needs to beg for funds to survive. This is not EU's fault. They were the rulers and thus have to take full responsiblility for their mismanagement.
2. Cyprus had long been known as a tax haven for all sorts of criminal gangs and thieves from russia, due to its lax banking regulations, long warned by EU to wise up.
But they refused to listen, and today, they are in trouble. They have not enough funds to pay back despositors due to their greedy ways of offering cheap loans to anyone in the past, and will collapse when the bank run starts.
And thus their begging bowls to EU.
EU will help, but there must be conditions for the bailout. EU is willing to help they cypriots people with their own money, espacially germans, BUT only to cypriots and NOT TO Russian criminals and thieves whom HAD ROBBED their own russian people blind, through thievery and corruption. No sense in bailing out crooks.
If Cyprus refuses the bailout conditions, then it has only themselves to blame and face collapse. This is the consequences it must face, a responsibility ALL its citizens must accept for allowing their leaders to mismanage the economy. EU did not rule in Cyprus or manage the economy. Only its own leaders did, and must take the fall, and blame no one else.
Emperor Putin had swore and rage today. Go ahead. Offer the cyprus govt bailout and PROVE once and for all to its citizens, of what and who he really is - supporter of russian crooks whom had cheated the russian masses blind.
Some say corrupt money and laundered funds exists in other nations as well. But the truth is that in WELL REGULATED banks in other nations, espacially the west, such funds can be tracked and identified, for corruption is a scourge of mankind and must be eradicated or nations will not prosper with shared wealth, for it prosper only the corrupt.
In recent times, many banks had been indicted and charged, and made to pay huge sums for their support of corruption and launderings. But a few more still exists and they too best be prepared to be found out one day as much needed reform and regulation will be imposed upon banks to end their free wheeling days which almost doom mankind in 2008 with its financial crisis, discovered first in US and revealed many other nations' bankers in the scam against their own citizens as well.
3. The crooks are not stupid and had spread the rumours that ALL banks will be made to pay a 10% tax on their deposits. This is baseless, but comprehensible, comming out from crooks trying to gain mass support to not let Cyprus do what they should rightfull do - impose that tax.
Other nations, as long as they are reformed, well managed and responsible, will not need to borrow the kind of funds many banks had done as in the past. Most had wisened up, thankfully, and thus depositors need not fear in strong countries where rule of law governs the land.
For banks with tyrant or crook demagogue rulers, then they best worry for their deposits, for the only law that is followed is whatever the tyrant mouthed in the morning and changeable by afternoon, and changeable yet again and again over time. History is replete with tyranny rule and best mankind not forget.
edit on 18-3-2013 by SeekerofTruth101 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
1. If the wheel aint broke, there is no need to fix it, and so thus human nature to leave things as it is as the economy had hummed along, despite warnings by EU to Cyprus leaders and bankers to their exposures.
2. No one POINTED a gun at the head of Cyprus to loan money to Greece. They did so only their own free will, and should HAVE performed due diligence on such loans. But did they? None. Greed over-ruled all sense, and today, there is no need to blame anyone else, for no gun was pointed, except by those who made those loans.
High time humans take responsibility for their actions, more so bankers whom are one of the most educated folks in terms of banking on earth and had been ROBBING the best of intelligent graduates into their industry instead of letting engineering, science and arts have a fair share.
3. In a time of emergency, national survival of the PEOPLE supercedes all laws. And today, Cyprus is in clear and present danger of economic collapse as a society. The tax, no doubt should hit the top tier instead of broadbasedly all citizens, but is no different from other forms of taxes such as wealth tax, luxury tax, etc to save the nation from economic disaster, as done throughout the course of our human civilisation.
The only ones whom are stupid, criminal and incendiary, are the ones whom will rather see society collapse and everyone return to jungles - survival of the fittests, an anarchist world aka mad max style.
The tax seeks only 10%, and not 100% as the crooks want society to believe. Best they accept this generous offer, but if they continue to make more noise, rest assured - it will be 100% when Cyprus gets no bailout funds and the mass citizen cypriots, whom will be the first, to queue up overnight to take every dime out.
Wake up.edit on 18-3-2013 by SeekerofTruth101 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by watcher3339
Theft? Money launderers calling 10% as theft? That's laughable.
But by all means, go ahead, disagree with the terms and conditions for loan, and then let the economy collapse.
Guarantee for deposits of $100,000 and below? When the govt and biz enterprises are bankrupt? Where is the money coming from?
You may think you woke up, but look at the facts, you are still sleeping and dreaming away, unaware the nightmare of reality waits for you when you wake up.edit on 18-3-2013 by SeekerofTruth101 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Elliot
With respect, Cyprus, as in the common men women did not lend money to Greece, their leaders chose to do this. What happened to accountability for our own actions? Let the leaders pay for the debt and let the bankers pay for their own mistakes. Do not take money unlawfully from the common people. Common people do not like being robbed and the common people can crash a system when they're cross a lot faster than any Conspiritor in high places.
Little people are constantly criminalised for the slightest error and yet leaders can be fraudsters, thieves, war criminals and just plain stupid idiots and are protected by the police who are supposed to be locking up the bad people. What an upside down world! Lets bring back personal accountability to high ranking officials. Iceland have set an excellent example!