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Originally posted by ThinkingCap
Stanton Friedman made an interesting statement several nights ago: We're asking for the wrong things, people say "Hey eye witness testimony, that doesn't mean anything, we need proof, a body, so forth" --- I think that's nonesense. The reason why we can explain most UFO sightings is because we are good observers; our entire legal system is designed on evaluating eye-witness testimony. People have been convicted of murder when there wasn't even a body to be had.
Eyewitness misidentification is the single greatest cause of wrongful convictions nationwide, playing a role in nearly 75% of convictions overturned through DNA testing.
While eyewitness testimony can be persuasive evidence before a judge or jury, 30 years of strong social science research has proven that eyewitness identification is often unreliable. Research shows that the human mind is not like a tape recorder; we neither record events exactly as we see them, nor recall them like a tape that has been rewound. Instead, witness memory is like any other evidence at a crime scene; it must be preserved carefully and retrieved methodically, or it can be contaminated. Source
Blackvault's John Greenewald Junior did once prove that NORAD collected and collated CIRVIS UFO reports from miltary and civilian pilots (even though they informed him 'in good faith' that they didn't) by going through the channels of Canada's Access Of Information Act and presenting them with their own documents (but it seems that not many UFO cynics like to talk about that)
Originally posted by cripmeister
Originally posted by ThinkingCap
Stanton Friedman made an interesting statement several nights ago: We're asking for the wrong things, people say "Hey eye witness testimony, that doesn't mean anything, we need proof, a body, so forth" --- I think that's nonesense. The reason why we can explain most UFO sightings is because we are good observers; our entire legal system is designed on evaluating eye-witness testimony. People have been convicted of murder when there wasn't even a body to be had.
Eyewitness testimony is the worst form of evidence no matter what Friedman or anyone else says. We are horrible observers.
Eyewitness misidentification is the single greatest cause of wrongful convictions nationwide, playing a role in nearly 75% of convictions overturned through DNA testing.
While eyewitness testimony can be persuasive evidence before a judge or jury, 30 years of strong social science research has proven that eyewitness identification is often unreliable. Research shows that the human mind is not like a tape recorder; we neither record events exactly as we see them, nor recall them like a tape that has been rewound. Instead, witness memory is like any other evidence at a crime scene; it must be preserved carefully and retrieved methodically, or it can be contaminated. Source
Originally posted by Komodo
might want to check out the documentry ..
I KNOW WHAT I SAW..
and from what you're saying is ...EYE wittness testimony is no longer vaild .. even for the courts ....??
Originally posted by cripmeister
Originally posted by Komodo
might want to check out the documentry ..
I KNOW WHAT I SAW..
and from what you're saying is ...EYE wittness testimony is no longer vaild .. even for the courts ....??
Seen it, along with basically every other UFO "documentary". Ironic name really, I am pretty sure most eyewitnesses who help convict innocent people also "know what they saw". Eyewitness testimony is still valid in the courts (of course) but new interviewing techniques are being developed and used in criminal investigations. Now me saying that eyewitness testimony is the worst form of evidence is not intended as an insult to UFO witnesses, it is just a fact of how our brains are wired.
Originally posted by Komodo
Originally posted by cripmeister
Originally posted by Komodo
might want to check out the documentry ..
I KNOW WHAT I SAW..
and from what you're saying is ...EYE wittness testimony is no longer vaild .. even for the courts ....??
Seen it, along with basically every other UFO "documentary". Ironic name really, I am pretty sure most eyewitnesses who help convict innocent people also "know what they saw". Eyewitness testimony is still valid in the courts (of course) but new interviewing techniques are being developed and used in criminal investigations. Now me saying that eyewitness testimony is the worst form of evidence is not intended as an insult to UFO witnesses, it is just a fact of how our brains are wired.
all good.. thx for the clarification..
However, for pilots, the medical rec's just to fly the jets is pretty steep, though some might not follow the 'rules' but, FAA seems to be pretty strick on making sure pilots are in top mental condiction; this is what the video is about...
a jet fighter pilot, not a commerical pilot,
which makes the health rec's/standards are even more steep and if not the MOST strick in any form of occupation, cilvilian or military.
So, the eyes of a military pilot are the most important 'tool' when they are making reports of boggeys, ATC's have to trust what the pilot sees up there physically with their own eyes...
No I'm not a pilot,but I've flown right seat for a very short time for recreational purposes and was in the back seat when a friend was taking his Instrument test...trust me when I say ..when you're up there, it's ALL about keeping your head on a swivel and watching out for the other guy...sight is primary in Avaition~!
Originally posted by 0bserver1
This is just a great coverage of air-traffic controllers working with government to identify incoming air-traffic.
They see so much on their screens,but can't talk about it.
Also pilots nowadays see so much unknown air-traffic and gladly they now can talk about it more openly than before.
Michael Smith was an Air Traffic Controller with the Air Force in Oregon and, subsequently, in Michigan. At both of these facilities he and others witnessed UFOs tracked on radar and moving at extraordinary speeds. He also confirms that personnel were expected to maintain secrecy concerning these observations, and that NORAD, the North American Air Defense Command, was fully apprised of these events.
Your material is interesting. Your righting style is lets say overly honest. Consider rewriting your topics in more subtle form. The truth has a way of finding its own way to the surface in the replies.
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by Druscilla
Your material is interesting. Your righting style is lets say overly honest. Consider rewriting your topics in more subtle form. The truth has a way of finding its own way to the surface in the replies.
So lets assume Ufo isnt Alien Druscillia. I observed a spherical orange object with wing span of aprox airbus fly very fast under the low hanging blanket of cloud cover; and it came to an abrupt standstill in the air and hovered nearly right over where i was standing. What was it? Please dont say a hallicination or other garabage like that. What was it if it wasnt Alien?
Originally posted by mazzroth
I know a retired air traffic controller from Perth and one day I asked him if he had seen anything peculiar in his 30+ year career and his eyes just welled up as he spent the next 30 minutes describing the event in unbelievable detail.edit on 17-3-2013 by mazzroth because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by cripmeister
We are horrible observers.
Here's an interesting case where Mexico City Airport flight control reported three unexplainable radar blips near a pilot's aircraft the same time he was visually reporting three 'domed discs' flying alongside his plane..
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this case also involves several unknown objects with 'flashing red lights on the bottom and green, glowing lights on top' being verified by five independent radar installations and witnessed by several U.S. Military personnel including the Air Force air traffic controller..
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this case involves an unidentified flying object being seen by separately located witnesses and tracked on radar over Pinecastle Electronic Warfare Range Tracking Station in 1978..
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this case involves a low level UFO being confirmed on ground and air radar and witnessed by separately located U.S. Military personnel on Minot Air Force Base in 1968..
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this case also involves military witnesses seeing a UFO in the same area of sky as to where the object was confirmed on multiple radar..
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this case involves two pilots of a RAF Meteor VII witnessing three 'disc shaped' objects 'flying over the cockpit of their aircraft' - the three objects were also confirmed on ground radarat a speed of 600mph:
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