France, Britain Willing to Arm Syrian Rebels

This is so warped in how it's being presented, it's almost like seeing two different stories sometimes.

"We must go further because for two years there has been a clear willingness by (Syrian President) Bashar al-Assad to use every means to hit at his own people," he added.

France said earlier that Paris and London were pushing for the EU to drop the arms ban -- a move opposed by some European governments, who fear a flood of weapons into Syria will only escalate the conflict.

Syrian opposition activists have called on London and Paris to provide heavy weaponry to tilt the balance in the two-year uprising.

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Like many others, I have watched this whole situation develop and I've been watching it since the very first calls for protesters to travel to help bring regime change and spread the Arab Spring began. From day 1, Assad has been given two choices. Only two choices. Step down, or die. Nothing more and talk about any form of "diplomatic talks" or "negotiated outcome" all start with the same thing today as it did then. Assad can step down or die.

Now having watched all this since it started, I've missed then or now, what Assad has done to warrant what is now basically a friendly assassination between nations. A proxy force is used ...as was Egypt, Libya and others. However, the end is the same. Any old guard and any who won't play with the New World Order (Or better yet owe their position to it) are marked for removal and death if necessary. That's what I think we're seeing play out here.

The fact it's now firmly as much European and British as it is American is what I find notable. At least this murder of a leader will be a shared guilt and no one can much argue that point going in.

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I found a very well written and professional report that breaks down in detail what the origins and status of the Free Syrian Army is. It makes for quite a read. Let me share a portion of the Executive Summary for context.

As the militias continue to face overwhelming regime firepower the likelihood of their radicalization may increase. moreover, the indigenous rebels may turn to al-Qaeda for high-end weaponry and spectacular tactics as the regime’s escalation leaves the rebels with no proportionate response, as occurred in iraq in 2005-2006. Developing relations with armed opposition leaders and recognizing specific rebel organizations may help to deter this dangerous trend.

a bit further in the same summary, comes this.

therefore, the United states must consider developing relations with critical elements of syria’s armed opposition movement in order to achieve shared objectives, and to manage the consequences should the Assad regime fall or the conflict protract.

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Shared Objectives....... manage consequences..... Al Qaeda right in the mix (Oh that turned out beautifully in Libya. Ask Ambassador Ste...err..nvm). We never learn. We just never, ever learn.

Hillary had mentioned something in passing to reporters about her legacy and wanting to see it through at one point. (Before Benghazi fell and other things changed, of course). I always suspected the assimilation and re-branding of Syria was a core part of it. It's interesting to read just how many ways that seems to be a strong possibility?

That's great news, Assad and his thugs seriously need to be removed by any means possible.

But hey, that's my opinion.

M.

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Any particular reason for feeling that way toward Assad or is it just a general dislike for the guy, overall?

I'd be curious what makes Assad so bad that the rebel forces aligned against him are actually seen as better?

The UK giving weapons to AQ affiliated terrorists?
But AQ are meant to be our enemy...

One would almost start to think there is a hidden agenda going on here.
Weaken Syria before we go into Iran,whilst also getting western companies a foothold in Syria maybe?

What gives us the right to spread so much death and hate?
And people wonder why fanatics want to bomb the UK,indeed...

Sad Bastards,those in power in the UK.

beggars belief- brilliant idea, encourage more violence and killing and arm the place with the most jihadists in it..............same rulers who will tell you guns are bad

Funny, while France and Britain are willing to arm the Syrian rebels, the CIA is busy building a target list for drone strikes against them.

We're arming them, aiding them, and officially have recognized them as the legitimate representatives of the Syrian people and NOW planning to kill them in future strikes?

articles.latimes.com...

You know, waking up to the reality of the situation is much easier than dealing with policy changes publicly.

This works perfectly for the zionist agenda. Arm both sides allow both sides to kill civillians, tear the country apart. All for a safer Israel......

The only dictators we don't want to overthrow are the ones who buy our weapons. Didn't the Saudis chop off the heads of 7 men last week, while they are visited this week by Charles and Cammila. We are supplying the Saudis with weapons that are used against protesters in Bahrain. We have a funny standard for who is the good and bad guys are.



Galloway says it best.

When mankind faces complex problems, it must NEVER shun away from it, and use any particular excuse to justify NOT resolving the CRITICAL problem, including the use of ihsane unsubstantiated allegations of phantoms or organisations pulling strings.

In the case of the Syrian crisis, the problems seem complex, but should not be feared or misused by the regime puppets and pupperters to DENY any form of resolving the issue.

Breaking down the complexities and dealing with them one by one, will ultimately resolve the issue, for that's what our brains, moral and ethical guidelines passed down since our civilisation began are for.

1. Despite the Humanslayer Assad's supporters and those fearful of wars and yet willing to see others die, the FACT remains the beast is responsible for the continued deaths of 70,000 humans and rising daily.


2. Radicl Islamists militants exist, whom had long been loggerheads against the west due to intentional fermantation of iirrational hate. But they are only a small element within the Free Syrian People whom are made up of Syrian citizens. They are only supported based upon the simplistic principle of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

They day when Syrian is freed from the HumanSlayer Assad, syrian men and women will want freedom to express themselves. We all know the radical Islamist militants offers no such freedoms, and in the end, they will become the enemies of the State as the beast was.

They will be treated as the tunisian and egyptian ruling party is - wise and loosen up, or be burned to the ground, in the tradition of the famous Linkin Park song.


3. Mankind can only progress and evolve when it acknowledges its mistakes and correct them.

Those calling for peace and dialogue MUST acknowledge their lies and stupidity. It's been 2 long years and so many precious humans died - 70,000 of them and a million displaced facing harsh conditions.

Had dialogue work?

China's CCP govt and Putin are fools and idiots, as it is universally known. Iran's self servicing leadership is a nutcase that needs no elucidiation. But can the rest of humanity close its eyes to REALITIES in Syria today, and claim dialogue will still work?

May mankind have some conscience left. We most certainly can let syrians die off without a care, but Karma is not a sword, but a boomerang and one day what we do to others will only swing back to hit at us.

It is heartening to see that the elected representatives of the French and UK nation still have brains, conscience and courage. May their free people stand tall and proud, even as the selfish but loud minority will bitch, as usual until they get bitten and hurt, and only then will they grow conscience and sing another tune.

I'm instinctively nervous about providing weaponry to Islamic loons that hate us, but i'm willing to believe the UK government may have a more nuanced grip of things than they sell in public.

The situation is complicated. The free syrian army is not a united unit. Its a coalition of sorts some of which simply want a democratic revolution and some of which are definitely Islamic terror organisations. Its by no means clear that the fighting will stop even if Assad is defeated. There might then be another civil war for the future direction of the country.

If the only people being supplied are the Islamists (via Sunni connections) then that might put them at an advantage

Its possible that the UK and France are playing this longer game and trying to ensure that the more moderate elements have a chance in what follows.

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erm, your post makes no sense, you state about the tens of thousands who died during the last 2 years and ask did dialogue work?!?

That erm wasn't dialogue that was war, which you are then weirdly calling for more war- more war will bring you thousands more dead

Some weird thinking

So in other words terrorists arming terrorists... There is more going on in Sryia that is being shown on MSN that is for sure.. One by one the leaders of the middle east seem to be falling and replaced. You do have to wonder.

The world had attempted at dialogue with all groups within the Syrian Regime for TWO years while THOUSANDS lay dead and continue to die today.

UN, the Free World, China and Russia had tried to be the intermediaries for TWO years, and yet, THOUSANDS lay dead and continue to die today.

Isn't it enough time for the China. Russia and FOOLS to see that 'dialogue' is senseless with that high amount of syrians slaughtered by that animal head of state?

Putin had been arming the regime for decades and Iran had been supporting its dog assad with both weapons and troops..oops..I mean the supposed 'shia pilgrims' all these time, while the syrian people fought with what they have and often - bare hands. And it is tyrant Putin who continues to call for dialogue, even after 2 years of slaughter by made in Russia weapons and aircrafts.

Had the rest of the world not only gone stupid, had they gone blind?

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Some claimed that arming the free syrian army is as good as arming the jihadists amongst them. Thing is, the jihadists are the BEST trained and armed troops right now in Syria. Even the FSA commanders had to step back as its troops trust more in the capabilities of the battle tested jihadists than the office workers FSA commanders whom saw no war before.

If the FSA are not armed, its credibility will be eventually eroded, and the jihadists, only a small contigent, will end up ruling Syria, as it eventually will, for its a numbers game and the HumanSlayer will fall in the end.

When that happens, the secular muslims seeking for freedom as taught by prophet Muhammad, will end up ruled by the tyrant Jihadists, and worse, they have no 2nd Amendment right to protect them, let alone even weapons to fight for their own freedom from tyranny.

With or without western arms, jihadists had proven they can take down Twin towers, London metro and Madrid rail. They even attempted to fight against the French army in Mali. But had they won? Some of our fellow humans died, but the islamist terrorists failed each time, for they had been beaten back and even caught. Their troops, idealogy, support and funding are getting smaller day by day.

Point is, terrorism will be still with us, regardless if the FSA is armed or not. But not to armed the secular FSA, is only ensuring that tyranny will rule in Syria when the beast assad is booted out, and one less nation in the fight againts terrorism.

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There is a fear that supplying weapons to the FSA will lead to a proxy war between the free world and the tyrants, because when the free world supplies arms, so too will the tyrants of china, russia and iran.

But let us stick to facts and realities.

If it happens, the ultimate loser will be the dog assad and his tyrant masters.

The tyrant masters will be only be supplying to the minority - beast assad and his gang, while FSA have the numbers and brains to win the war as they are the majority in Syria.

It is humans, not weapons alone that determine the outcome of wars, or the dog assad would hav won long ago.

So let the tyrants - Iran, Russia and China supply the dog assad. He will only run out of men to handle those weapons when the 'shock and awe' comes after the initial war of attrition is over with the well armed FSA.

This is...unfortunately...the only way to end the syrian suffering. We must wake up to realities, that all options had been .....long exhausted.