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This appears to be an admission that you are not independent for your spiritualism because you are drawing on the knowledge of others.
You can't look at what was presented on page 19 and then say "I can't see it" I must appeal to higher authority because it's either by-design (with intent) or a mere coincidence which just happened to generate life as we know it. You can't not take a position while claiming that you're not being intellectually disingenuous.
For the atheist, the "coincidence" of eclipse (for starters) MUST be just that and nothing more. In other words it cannot be assigned any intrinsic meaning or significance or purpose or intentionality by any Creative Agency.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
You can't look at what was presented on page 19 and then say "I can't see it" I must appeal to higher authority because it's either by-design (with intent) or a mere coincidence which just happened to generate life as we know it. You can't not take a position while claiming that you're not being intellectually disingenuous.
For the atheist, the "coincidence" of eclipse (for starters) MUST be just that and nothing more. In other words it cannot be assigned any intrinsic meaning or significance or purpose or intentionality by any Creative Agency.
There's a bias there then or a blindspot that refuses to and cannot see or recognize any evidence to the contrary. But according to the proper definition of "atheism" (as discussed earlier in this thread) this can't be so. In the presence of evidence demonstrating intelligent design, the atheist is then placed in a real predicament you see. At best it's "no comment"..
I would just like to see the argument to the contrary, and in the face of the evidence, that's all.
I made my argument, that this can be nothing other than the result of an infinitely intelligent Creative Agency. I did my part..
Best Regards,
NAM
You're evading, squirming and evading.
I am not trying to be clever, I was sincerely asking you for clarification of how you can declare yourself to be spiritually independent but then have to rely on material analysis or any kind of knowledge to support you in your independence. It would seem to me that such independence would be free of all dependence on knowledge - unless of course knowledge is what you need for emotional stability?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
There's a difference between material analysis and emotional stability. Stop trying to be clever, it's not working well for you.
So in your opinion based on your own observation, it (moon-earth-sun configuration) must be a coincidence then, right? Just a fluke at the very far end of a random cosmic lottery. This is surely the position you must take as an "atheist".
I put forth a good argument. Do you have anything, anything at all, to counter it?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
I put forth a good argument. Do you have anything, anything at all, to counter it?
You could always try Google.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
I think your conclusions are very elaborate considering the sparing sample of legitimate evidence you have brought forth.
What search terms should I be using, what am I looking for in your opinion? Thanks.
I don't think you've fully grasped the true nature and implications of what was actually presented, or, you're being intellectually disingenuous even deceptively so.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Maybe if you organized your thoughts and shown how your research is relevant to ANYTHING, I would be more impressed.
Originally posted by Overtime
reply to post by NewAgeMan
Thanks for making me wonder about the moons origins, I hadn't considered it for a while but I am very skeptical a bunch of rocks from a planet collision with Earth happened to collect at that exact distance to make all that possible.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Overtime
You're most welcome.
It also makes this possible!
Perihelion and Solstice
- by holding the earth in a dynamic equilibrium balancing "wobble" and tilt on it's axis (we need to check the other planets in our solar system to see how their tilt compare to earth) which is perfectly balanced in favor of a living world right across the whole planet (as we enjoy today).
and the whole cycle of life on earth while ensuring that 90%+ of the Earth's water surrounding the whole planet is in liquid form and we know it times the cycles of life all the way to that of the human female's reproductive cycle including the human gestation period (pregnancy).
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by NewAgeMan
What search terms should I be using, what am I looking for in your opinion? Thanks.
Look, if you can't do simple research, then obviously you haven't done you're homework because you don't know how to. Case closed.
We have you on record anyway stating that the moon-earth-sun configuration isn't of intelligent design origin but the result of random coincidence and governed by nothing more than the laws of physics and thus of no real significance or meaning, or intended purpose.
I should add here that when I am referring to by-design of the Creative Agency that I'm also referring to infinite intelligence and therefore something capable of generating and/or making use of the laws of physics, from a first/last cause, or in other words that the creative process wasn't blind, in accordance with random coincidence, but intentional, and anticipatory and whose very aim was and is life as we know it.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
So what we see now was the ultimate goal of this immense intelligence? You really are naive.
Up to this point yes, obviously, and no I'm not, just extremely inquisitive and scientifically minded.