Atheism vs. God-Belief (the final debate).

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

Ha! That post was meant to include sacgamer25's but on a glitchy copy-paste i flubbed it. Howevere, according to you vethumanbeing, it's a sign when these kinds of thing happen so I was forced to leave it as is so it looks like you're going to have to work this one out on your own buddy!

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
There are two principal aspects of the argument I'm going to make (when time permits). The first will argue that the manifest reality, including consciousness (as a tangled hierarchy), has arisen as a result of an intelligent subtraction from, the absolute formless potential as a first/last cause or as a downward causation emanating from the Godhead aka Creative Agency, whereby the phenomenon of consciousness is not and cannot simply arise as an epiphenomenon of matter, and the second, to "join the circle" will aim to show a manifest example of superintelligent design embedded by anticipation and with intent, into the geometrical relationships and integers of our own earth-moon-sun system/configuration as a precursor to earth's evolutionary development including that of the human being as self aware observer, and even as a marker or a "sign" or signature intended for our own recognition, by the Creative Agency, but done in such a way that it cannot be dismissed either as pure coincidence or nullified as meaningless by the strong anthropic principal.

Just wanted to offer a head's up, out of fairness, due to the delay.

Best Regards,

NAM

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by vethumanbeing

 

Yes but only when we can laugh along with God have we all learned our lesson.

God laughs and he makes me laugh by virtue of confounding me and then informing me of something that I'd never considered before for the life of me, like a secret joke shared from the domain of real knowledge and understanding, which involves simply being who we really ARE but without any pretense or prior ego-condition, just stupified at how stupid we are or WERE - thank GOD it wasn't too late! We were dead but are alive again, both to ourselves and to God within whom we are immersed. God is capable of informing us when at last we are still, open-minded, and willing and aware but not lacking in reason or logic. It's supra-rational or ultralogical - beyond reason in the humor of true understanding and recognition at the end of the ego's reason including even it's reason to live, in the face of this love and knowledge the ego throws itself forward into the loving arms of a forgiving God because he loves us AS and even WHO we are, even though we were just pretending to be somebody special for all the wrong reasons I'm pretty sure God gets that. lol:

So like I said before we have all eternity to worry about just who God really is (now that God is in the house - received and accepted) no the only question becomes - what do we do NOW?!

What do you do at the end of time from the unconditioned (absolutely forgiven unconditionally and thus reintegrated) ground of all being and becoming?

We love, and create with the desire to please ourselves and others - there's nothing else worth doing that's the funny part about it.

It has it's own reason, and logic and my God is it ever capable of vast amounts of ecstatic humor in the surrender of the egoic structures built on largely inauthentic fabrications for no reason at all, or even worse still because of a lack of self acceptance and self love - that's FUNNY!

He loved us first. Who cares! Now that we've finally found each other at last it doesn't matter any more, and I am sure grateful but without any sense of indebtedness (because it's absolutely free).

I grok! LOL!


It's a joke you see that contains imbedded within itself an onion of jokes, to the core, maybe even to the moon and back again.. but that in the end we must come to recognize if only for the enjoyment of getting to actually be ourselves again at last, and relax with all the pressure off.


And boy oh boy did we ever get it wrong, we screwed up, what can ya do no biggie in the end provided we find and then begin to explore the domain of freedom and liberation that God has had in mind for us all from the very beginning, which leaves neither God out, as the all in all self aware universe, nor any part thereof with ONE REALITY, ONE CONDITION, ONE GOD, ONE SPIRIT (sorry for yelling, but it was important to make clear lol).

In fact, the human being is or was supposed to be the very crown jewel in his creation!

Yes it's both very very sad and, very very funny (thank God!).

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by HumansEh

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by HumansEh

 

The Flower of Life set in stone at the Temple of Osiris at Abydos.

Thanks for the link, I enjoyed that. Studies in my youth encompassed sacred geometry and symbolism in art history and archaeology.

Keep goin OP, you are doing well.
Usually people start these threads to insult and shout down the opposing point of view.
You are striving for debate.
I respect that.

Thanks.

Here we have the G for generative principal because it's a principal of life meeting life as the flower of life having arisen from the original seed and egg of life, which emerged from the void as a thought-form even as a soundwave of sorts.

Originally posted by apushforenlightment
I think I will answer the post with this video. It seem fitting;