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posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 03:41 AM
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Thanks for trying to explain it. My question was alluding to c "going up" ie becoming faster than light. And if put into e=mc2 it would mean that m would have to "go down" or reduce. My assumption was that there was a constant amount of energy. In the equation you placed in your reply, it would mean that your new v, if it was more than c the speed of light, then M (your new mass) would end up as m/ the square root of a negative number. Which as alby einstein stated, is meaningless.
In the OP he/she was saying that mass "increased" as one approached the speed of light.
In any circumstance, I can't see how science will figure out how to go faster than the speed oflight any time soon.
But again, thanks for the answer.




posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by greatfriendbadfoe
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My question was alluding to c "going up" ie becoming faster than light.
And again, you don't seem to be recognizing that c is a constant. It doesn't go up or down.

If c is anything other than the speed of light, then it's not c, so you can't allude to "c "going up" ie becoming faster than light" and expect it to make any sense.

If someone could show that c could change, they'd probably win a Nobel prize and we'd have to re-write a lot of physics.



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 09:02 AM
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Quantum entanglement is why SETI is a waste of time. Any civilization that has mastered space travel uses QE to communicate. Radio waves are useless at interstellar distances. QE cannot be eavesdropped on.

When we can discern a moth in the water on one side of the pacific from the other then we will be able to decode radio waves from other planets. Cause it is the same thing.



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Robonakka
Quantum entanglement is why SETI is a waste of time. Any civilization that has mastered space travel uses QE to communicate. Radio waves are useless at interstellar distances. QE cannot be eavesdropped on.

When we can discern a moth in the water on one side of the pacific from the other then we will be able to decode radio waves from other planets. Cause it is the same thing.
There's a flaw in that thinking.

Even if you could use quantum entanglement for communication (and so far there's no indication you can), the entangled particles need to be separated before you can even attempt to use them for communication. And the process of separating the entangled particles is limited to the speed of light. So the idea that quantum entanglement is the key to faster than light communication doesn't make much sense to me, unless you know that 5000 years in the future you will want to send a message to a location 5000 light years away.

Then you could spend 5000 years sending the quantum entangled particle to the desired location, and after 5000 years, you could then communicate over the 5000 light years in an instant, if we ever figure out how that's possible (it may not be). But even in this example of instantaneous communication, you're still limited to the speed of light, because it took you 5000 years to move the entangled particles to where you wanted them to be.

Don't you get that?
edit on 20-3-2013 by Arbitrageur because: clarification



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Erno86
Photons have zero mass...which can generate thrust when they are ejected from an object, such as a nuts an bolts starship. The same principle is proven when photons are ejected from from the poles of some black holes near the speed of light. These massive black holes are too large to have any photon ejecta push them around with any significance --- but a freebird such as a flying saucer --- can and will generate thrust, when it is equipped with the same magnetic properties of these black holes; only on a much smaller scale.

The photons are sucked into the flying saucer to feed the hungry black hole photon engine, and ejected with tremendous thrust...so as the starship easily gets to the speed of light ---- and increases speed exponentially squared --- too many times the speed of light; into the superluminal realm.

The starship is protected from the dangers of superluminal speeds --- with the application of a computer controlled magnetic field --- that is generated from the black hole photon engine.
edit on 19-3-2013 by Erno86 because: spelling

this post is very incorrect. it sounds like you read something psudoscientific, didn't understand it, then posted what you thought it said.

photons are a form of energy, and as such can translate into momentum. hawking radiation is the only thing that escapes a black hole, and it doesn't really "escape" at that. photons cannot travel at less than the speed of light.

something with mass (a starship) cannot break the speed of light, no matter how much energy you put behind it.



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 06:23 PM
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Two particles moving in opposite directions and 99.99% the speed of light. After 11 billion years one particle enters the atmosphere of a planet, so does the other particle react instantaneously to the destiny of the other??

All things considered it will take some time to develop technology to take advantage of this situation.
edit on 20-3-2013 by Kashai because: modifed content



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 11:18 PM
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amazing at this rate we should be able to traverse theoretically speaking 100's of times the light years it would take to get to other galaxies just decades ago. simply put.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by Kashai
Two particles moving in opposite directions and 99.99% the speed of light. After 11 billion years one particle enters the atmosphere of a planet, so does the other particle react instantaneously to the destiny of the other??
As already explained, we can't say if it's instantaneous, due to limitations in measurement capability. We can and have put a limit on the slowest possible speed.

But if it's let say 10,000 times faster than the speed of light as the title of the thread suggests, then the delay over 11 billion light years would be what, 1.1 million years? So that wouldn't be exactly instantaneous.

It shouldn't take longer than that if such a thing is possible, but we don't know exactly how long it might take except to say not more than 1.1 million years. (Technically if it was 10,000 times faster than the speed of light, it would probably take longer because of expanding space....but let's not make our hypothetical overly complicated).
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posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 07:06 PM
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That was an excellent response and I appreciate the time to took to prepare it.



posted on Mar, 22 2013 @ 07:33 AM
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Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Robonakka
Quantum entanglement is why SETI is a waste of time. Any civilization that has mastered space travel uses QE to communicate. Radio waves are useless at interstellar distances. QE cannot be eavesdropped on.

When we can discern a moth in the water on one side of the pacific from the other then we will be able to decode radio waves from other planets. Cause it is the same thing.
There's a flaw in that thinking.

Even if you could use quantum entanglement for communication (and so far there's no indication you can), the entangled particles need to be separated before you can even attempt to use them for communication. And the process of separating the entangled particles is limited to the speed of light. So the idea that quantum entanglement is the key to faster than light communication doesn't make much sense to me, unless you know that 5000 years in the future you will want to send a message to a location 5000 light years away.

Then you could spend 5000 years sending the quantum entangled particle to the desired location, and after 5000 years, you could then communicate over the 5000 light years in an instant, if we ever figure out how that's possible (it may not be). But even in this example of instantaneous communication, you're still limited to the speed of light, because it took you 5000 years to move the entangled particles to where you wanted them to be.

Don't you get that?
edit on 20-3-2013 by Arbitrageur because: clarification


Being able to communicate instantly is a very desirable thing now. It takes 45 minutes round trip to talk to Mars. Longer the further you go out. I think it takes a few hours one way to talk to Voyager. Yes you have to wait to get your system in place. But when we have bases on Mars someday this will be a handy thing to have. Or for when we send the first probe to Alpha Centauri. It would nice to not have to wait 4 years to see what it looks like.



posted on Mar, 22 2013 @ 07:47 AM
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We are all still stuck in our current vibration talking about light atoms and photons
Get out of our world and you have,

Inter-dimensional shifting.





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