Wild and Crazy Theory on West Coast Missile Beef Up

So....I have read the stories on the US beefing up it's interceptor missile capability on the West Coast in preparation for an attack from NK. Now everyone keeps saying that NK has no possibility of actually reaching the US with an ICBM of any type and the government actually does not seem that worried about the NK threats.

I believe these missiles have a fairly long range, enough to reach well past our atmosphere. Apparently there are now 44 of these systems set up on the West Coast. What are the chances that they are aware of an incoming space object that is supposed to touch down somewhere off the West Coast and are preparing to fire all 44 of these missiles at it in order to break it up prior to entry, or at least give it a best shot at trying to break it up.

If the doom threads are true and this is a last minute find/threat to our country, would this not be a sort of hail mary to see if we could limit the actual size of the object impacting all at once and possibly break it up into multiple smaller objects that would not cause as much harm or could possibly burn up prior to impact?

I am no missile or space object expert but this is just a thought that ran through my head since everyone and everything I have read keeps saying that NK is absolutely no threat. If that is the case then why all the beefing up of intercept systems? Wouldn't an intercept system be the exact thing they would use as a last option for an incoming object anyways? And what sort of destructive power are we looking at with 44 of these? I have read that IF NK has ICBM capabilities they could not possibly have more than a couple....so what is the need for 44 of these if they have the range I have read about?

Originally posted by Vasa Croe
so what is the need for 44 of these if they have the range I have read about?

It is to spend tons of defense money, making their cronies wealthy. It is about spreading fear and the continuation of the DHS agenda.

In simple words it is all B.S.

It could also be a deterrent to NK, for them to see that we ARE aiming missiles that could reach them, should we need to knock on their door. Or a precautionary measure, just in case our intelligence is wrong and they do have something that can reach us. Don't forget about Russia either.

Originally posted by Mamatus

Originally posted by Vasa Croe
so what is the need for 44 of these if they have the range I have read about?

It is to spend tons of defense money, making their cronies wealthy. It is about spreading fear and the continuation of the DHS agenda.

In simple words it is all B.S.

I can understand that aspect of it as well, but my question is if there truly is a threat would 44 of these be the type of reaction that could be seen as a hail mary to try to take that threat out since it is obviously overkill for a NK ICBM threat. Could 44 of these interceptors pack enough of a punch to possibly break up an incoming space object over the Pacific Ocean, Mexico or Canada? These missiles are deployed all across the West Coast including Alaska and the doom threads I have read give some prediction of those areas mentioned above being where this object will impact....and a big IF there is an object.

Sweat in peace, bleed not in war.

Better safe than sorry and all of that jazz.

As far as the threat of an incoming object, I have no idea.

Originally posted by daryllyn
Sweat in peace, bleed not in war.

Better safe than sorry and all of that jazz.

As far as the threat of an incoming object, I have no idea.

edit on 15-3-2013 by daryllyn because: (no reason given)

Yeah....I don't really have any idea either....just an odd thought that crossed my mind wondering why the huge response to a country that everyone has downplayed as being incapable of doing what they say....seems like an unusually large number of these intercept missiles for this.

Originally posted by Vasa Croe

Originally posted by daryllyn
Sweat in peace, bleed not in war.

Better safe than sorry and all of that jazz.

As far as the threat of an incoming object, I have no idea.

edit on 15-3-2013 by daryllyn because: (no reason given)

Yeah....I don't really have any idea either....just an odd thought that crossed my mind wondering why the huge response to a country that everyone has downplayed as being incapable of doing what they say....seems like an unusually large number of these intercept missiles for this.

They are aimed at Russia, same at the sites in Europe that caused all the controversy. NK is just a handy excuse and its a great opportunity for the loonies to make more $$$$ at taxpayer expense at a time when most would not accept such spending for the genuine reasons.

What about submarine launched missiles. Does NK have any submarines? Doesn't have to be ICBM's. Cruise missiles, remote controled airplanes, balloons?

reply to post by Vasa Croe


You know, I was pondering the implication of this move all day. Good call.

Here is what I want to know.

Do they expect us to believe, that all of a sudden, after 60 years of the cold war, that we do not have our west coast defended?

Or that we left Alaska defenseless in some fashion?

The missiles that NK has CAN NOT REACH US TERRITORY! They are all short range ballistic capable only.

So why are we bulking up again?

That is the question.

Do you want fantasy speculation or the truth?

The buildup of west coast missile defenses have little to do with the North Korean threats and much more to do with Chinese threats. China has more than once threatened to nuke the west coast, and specifically threatened to nuke Los Angeles.

Tensions are quietly building between the US and China over a number of issues... Using the empty threats from NK as justification for the buildup is good cover for the actual reasons for it.

No need to be alarmed.

Yet.

Originally posted by ausername
The buildup of west coast missile defenses have little to do with the North Korean threats and much more to do with Chinese threats. China has more than once threatened to nuke the west coast, and specifically threatened to nuke Los Angeles.

Also Obama is beating the war drums with Iran over their nukes, and
who is Iran chummy with? China.

And where does Russia stand in this?

Interesting times we live in.

But I'm sure it's all Bush's fault

Originally posted by Yngvarr

Also Obama is beating the war drums with Iran over their nukes, and
who is Iran chummy with? China.

And where does Russia stand in this?

That isn't Obama's drum to beat.

Syria, Iran, China and Russia... Are all aligned in opinion against the USA, also covertly allied through their use of proxies.

North Korea is a clever diversion...

There is much more going on here than what is being made public, and it is probably better that way.

Gotta love some of you guys.

We have North Korea threatening to do all kinds of nasty stuff along with their allies the Chinese. When we make a few defensive moves, it's suddenly about incoming Nibiru asteroids from Andromeda. How do these leaps of logic occur?

Originally posted by Magister
What about submarine launched missiles. Does NK have any submarines? Doesn't have to be ICBM's. Cruise missiles, remote controled airplanes, balloons?

Yes they have submarines. And they have sea launch capability. They have about 70 subs at this point in time. That is why a lot of people are afraid of them sneaking up close to the coast line and kicking one into a coastal city. They would just have to send it a 100 miles or less. Even their relatively short range missiles can make that delivery. The ones thy just dumped into the sea of Japan are definitely enough to do the job.

We don't have 44 of these silos yet. We only have 30.

The approval to at 14 more will bring it up to the originally planned 44 that Obama canceled back in 2009.

Here's some more information on the missile systems:

Ground Base Mid Course Defense

Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GMD) is the United States system for intercepting incoming warheads in space. It is a major component of the U.S. missile defense strategy to counter ballistic missiles, including intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs). GMD is administered by the US Missile Defense Agency (MDA), while the operational control and execution is provided by the US Army, and support functions are provided by the US Air Force. Previously known as National Missile Defense (NMD), the name was changed in 2002 to differentiate it from other U.S. missile defense programs, such as space-based and sea-based intercept programs, or defense targeting the boost phase and reentry flight phases.[1]

Interceptor sites are at Fort Greely, Alaska[2][3][4] and Vandenberg Air Force Base, California; a third site was planned for a proposed US missile defense complex in Poland, but was canceled in September 2009. A description of the program can be found in the Missile Defense Agency Budget Item Justification document, dated February 2007.[5]

In March 2013, the Obama administration announced plans to add 14 more interceptors in addition to the current 30 at Vandenberg in response to North Korean threats.[7]

The missile vehicles are build by Orbital Sciences Corporations and the missiles are controlled by the Missile Defense Agency

North Korea wants to spread fear to the other "main" countries... But all they're doing is making themselves look stupid. They are starving they're own country, cutting themselves off from the rest of the world. I have no idea what's going on in their heads...

I appreciate all the info some have posted. I still want to know why so many? Are these missiles that we as taxpayer paid an arm and a leg for so inaccurate that we have to put 44 of them out to defend against a publicly denounced non-threat of a country. I understand there are those that feel this is because of Russia or China, but 44 of these missiles is a lot unless they are so inaccurate that we need a few to make sure we hit the target. However, 44 of these against an incoming "rock" would seem fairly adequate to at least break it up.

Again, this is just a wild outside the box thought, but as a last minute deployment to help protect our country would this not be a good option? Will these missiles reach outside of our atmosphere and be able to intercept an incoming space object? Do they have the capability?

Originally posted by Foundryman
Gotta love some of you guys.

We have North Korea threatening to do all kinds of nasty stuff along with their allies the Chinese. When we make a few defensive moves, it's suddenly about incoming Nibiru asteroids from Andromeda. How do these leaps of logic occur?

I have no belief in Nibiru, I do however very much believe that an incoming space rock is a very viable possibility considering we can't monitor all of space and there are plenty of craters on Earth and the moon to suggest numerous strikes. I personally am not ignorant enough to believe that an impact with a large body is not possible....it HAS happened and has been proven that it HAS happened.

This is not a doom porn, careless thought...Earth has been hit numerous times by large bodies. I am not ignorant enough to believe that we could not find a planet incoming....I am very much convinced that we could not find an incoming large asteroid/meteor/comet.....I will reference Russia as the latest....had that rock actually stayed together and touched down it would have had a MUCH worse outcome.

Not sure where you got Nibiru or Andromeda....never mentioned those nor do I have any belief in them.

Anyone remember the mystery missle from nov 9 2010? This thread mad me think of it.

Was it possible that the missle was a test for this system?

reply to post by Vasa Croe


These missiles are designed to intercept ICBMs at orbital altitudes, so technically, yes, they could intercept a rock.

However, the way these missile systems work is based up on ground and naval radar information of incoming missiles, which are normally detected when launched by military satellites that are watching for them. Not rocks coming in for space, so some reconfiguring would have to be done.

The other thing is the size of the target rock, and the war heads on these missiles. 44 HE (High Explosive) warheads against a solid rock that is let us say 1 mile wide coming in a planetary speeds?

The missiles would be like bugs hitting the windshield on a Mack Truck.

As for why so many: I guess that would be based on threat analysis that are done. Bush Jr. wanted 44, Obama capped it at 30, and now is raising it to 44 (and I just saw a news article talking about placing 3 more on the EAST coast of the US.......what?).

It's not so much as the missile being crappy at intercepting. They've spent a lot of time testing them to intercept correctly.
It's more along the lines of having more than enough to intercept. Something goes wrong, certain sites have bad weather and can't launch, possible malfunction during launch, and one last thing to consider:

If you only have 10, and your enemy sends 20, you're screwed. Even if you have 100 percent intercept, 10 of them are still going to arrive here.

Now I know NK most likely doesn't have 1 that can reach, let alone 44. But I think the entire system was designed with other nations in mind (IE Russia and China).

I don't know why they suddenly want to increase the number either. And with the WH whining about not having enough money now, it makes me raise my eye brows even further.