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My point of contention is still that is an issue that should be between the doctor and patient as far as which medications are best. It isn’t something that religious beliefs have a place in mandating. It is a choice for only those two people. As far as the claim that other medications would be better suited that is a matter of opinion which I have read articles that say the opposite from yourself. Again the doctor would know better than I. unless you are a doctor then it falls back to opinion. Every article that I have read that supports what you are saying had heavy Christian influence so I tend to see the bias.
My point of contention is that the pill that is called "birth control" only truly treats one thing effectively and it does so with great risk. Any other medically necessarily condition can be treated just as effectively with another drug. If the argument is that doctors will prescribe it anyway for something other than birth control, then it should be exclusion in the insurance plan and the employee will have to cover this out of pocket.
Originally posted by Raist
reply to post by Helious
Great post.
It would be great if all employers offered medical insurance. It would be great if it covered everything that needs or is desired to be covered. That is some sort of fantasy world though.
The government could have solved all of this by instead of mandating getting insurance from private firms just conducting their own federal plan. That will not happen though because it would be a tax increase, and in a way take from their pockets. This way that make a lot more money and can still screw people over with taxes "for other stuff" that way the only "bad people" will be the employers.
Raist
Originally posted by searching411
There is an easy fix for the birth control issue -- if you do not want to pay for your own birth control, don't have sex. Pregnancy is a choice, not an illness. Having sex is a personal issue, not one you want your employer involved with, or do you?
Originally posted by searching411
There is an easy fix for the birth control issue -- if you do not want to pay for your own birth control, don't have sex. Pregnancy is a choice, not an illness. Having sex is a personal issue, not one you want your employer involved with, or do you?
Originally posted by searching411
There is an easy fix for the birth control issue -- if you do not want to pay for your own birth control, don't have sex. Pregnancy is a choice, not an illness. Having sex is a personal issue, not one you want your employer involved with, or do you?
I don't understand where you get the idea that you can't get condoms anywhere else but from your employer, you can still get them at all the same places. If you can't afford a condom, sex probably shouldn't be your top priority, given they're pretty cheap.
Originally posted by buster2010
Originally posted by searching411
There is an easy fix for the birth control issue -- if you do not want to pay for your own birth control, don't have sex. Pregnancy is a choice, not an illness. Having sex is a personal issue, not one you want your employer involved with, or do you?
Yes sex is a personal issue. So why is Domino's sticking their noses into peoples bedroom.
Originally posted by daryllyn
reply to post by kx12x
I don't understand where you get the idea that you can't get condoms anywhere else but from your employer, you can still get them at all the same places. If you can't afford a condom, sex probably shouldn't be your top priority, given they're pretty cheap.
Where did I say anything about condoms?
While its true that they do hand them out at places like planned parenthood, you don't go to your OBGYN to ask for condoms. You just go buy them at the store.
I was talking about birth control pills, and other forms of hormonal birth control.edit on 16-3-2013 by daryllyn because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by daryllyn
reply to post by Helious
Since when are condoms prescribed by doctors?
I have been referring to prescription forms of birth control the whole time. Typically, you don't go to the doctor and ask for condoms in the same way you would go to ask for medication.
I'm sure you would like to use that argument and it hold any water to make it seem as if you are championing freedom but it's a sham and we both know it. This was denied under Constitutional challenge because the drug is taken voluntarily to effect the outcome of pregnancy due to sexual intercourse. This is obviously something that is unique in that it is not medicinally necessary and if it was, the outcome of this case and this conversation would be much different.
I stand by my earlier statement that a private business owner should be able to run a business as he/she wishes even if it's a stupid idea that's bad for business, but do acknowledge that society decided long ago that employers had to meet certain standards for their employees, and after some thought this religious exemption rule seems like an opening to circumvent nearly all work place regulations. While I want private business to have the freedom to operate as the owner desires, I also don't want all employee's rights taken away either. Is that a legitimate concern?