Iran fails to intercept Predator UAV

Whole story is funny and bogus..

Why two (manned military jets) escorting one (unmanned) drone over there..? and the topic’s title is misleading, they didn’t failed, they just show their fast presence which tells a lot about the accuracy of their air and coastal defence system.

Beside all their sensitive sites are (deep inside) Iran, what that lousy drone tried to accomplish? Provoking to be fire at (hence creating more drama) in already tense area? OP title should be renamed as (another attempt and acts of provocations by the Americans failed) imho.

Sounds like modern day (golf of Tonkin) to me!

reply to post by xquietonex


It also depends on how close the Predator was operating to the Stennis. Were they launched to protect the Stennis, and the Predator happened to be in the area? Or was the Predator operating with the Stennis, watching for sea based threats, and they were protecting it? It all depends on what the mission of the Predator was at the time.

reply to post by pheonix358


Like you keep saying "it's international airspace", why where the Iranians going after the drone first place?
That drone and it's escorts had every right to be there unmolested.
The Iranians were starting sh*t, they got warned and they backed off. Why? because they were out there for no other reason than to mess with the drone. Otherwise they would have stated what they were doing, given the drone a wide berth and carried on their intended operation.

reply to post by amkia


It doesn't matter what the UAV was doing there. It was in international airspace, and had every right to be there. You think the only thing there is Iranian nuclear sites? There is a lot more than just that going on there that needs to be watched out for, but you're right. The big bad US is being evil again and trying to start crap.

reply to post by Zaphod58



No sir..

Unless it is self-given right it shouldn’t be there 15000 km away from the US soil spying on other countries, while the Iranian jets were within their LEGAL border given a warning.

Which is also reminds me (Iran Air Flight 655) more or less in same International water and air space got fired at by the US warship killing 290 passengers including 60 children. What gives right the US conducting such an act and get away with the murder? And what gives right to the US navy to issue (warning) to Iranian jets flying (inside their country’s border) or even international water and air space?

Is that no fly zone..?

I admire the braveness of Iranian pilot that didn’t allow national pride and patriotism get better of them, they could fire couple of missels at those intruders and the zoom back where they came from let the ground air defences deal with those… right..?


en.wikipedia.org...

That’s how I see it

reply to post by zonetripper2065



Question to ask...

Since when yanks are allowed to give warning to the local (Whether they are military or civilian flights) IN INTERNATIONAL WATER AND AIR SPACE..?

Originally posted by Zaphod58


Look at the nose gear. There's nowhere for it to retract to, and no door to cover it up when it does retract. There are no main landing gear wells, or main landing gear doors. Where are the wheels supposed to go? That's what I'm talking about.

That is the model of the RQ-170 that they built to parade about. The real RQ-170 probably had substantial damage to the underside hence the wrap around when exhibited?

The model built for parades and propaganda purposes.



theaviationist.com...

reply to post by amkia


Every country has the right to fly wherever they want in international airspace. As you said, all of Iran's sensitive sites are well inland. You really think that Iran is the only thing happening in that part of the world? Talk about arrogance. It may have been flying in support of troops in Iraq out of a base in Dhubai. Or it may have been flying in support of the antipiracy mission watching for pirates. Or any number of other things that are happening in that part of the world.

The point is that Iran is a signatory of the ICAO treaty that guarantees safety of flight in international airspace. So what gives THEM the right to try to interfere with an aircraft that is flying in international airspace? Oh wait, I forgot, only the US is to blame for anything that happens. We're the evil boogieman, and if someone else interferes with our aircraft, that have every right to fly in international airspace it's our fault for being there. No matter why we were there, or what the aircraft was.

reply to post by amkia


Since there was evidence that someone was going to interfere with a perfectly legal flight, that was in international airspace, and guaranteed safe passage under the ICAO treaty. Just as if it was an Iranian aircraft, they would have the right to warn our aircraft off. Or if it was Russian, or Chinese, or anyone else.

The question is WHY DOES IRAN HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRY TO STOP AIRCRAFT FLYING IN INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE FROM FLYING THERE?

Originally posted by zonetripper2065
reply to post by pheonix358

 

Like you keep saying "it's international airspace", why where the Iranians going after the drone first place?
That drone and it's escorts had every right to be there unmolested.
The Iranians were starting sh*t, they got warned and they backed off. Why? because they were out there for no other reason than to mess with the drone. Otherwise they would have stated what they were doing, given the drone a wide berth and carried on their intended operation.

edit on 15-3-2013 by zonetripper2065 because: type ooooo

...so says the Western MSM.
I honestly don't know who to believe nowadays. Government lies. MSM lies. Foreign lies. Eff them all, I'll worry about myself.

reply to post by superman2012


There is more going on in that region than Iran. Predators fly out of Dubai in support of troops in Iraq, and out of there in support of the anti-piracy mission, patrolling the seas. That region is one of the really hot areas for pirates, as most ships cut through the Gulf to keep from having to go the long way around. I did some research a couple years ago, and the Gulf area has four or five times the pirate attacks as anywhere else. It's narrow, so there's not much room to maneuver, and it's shallow, so they can't really be chased by a destroyer or large ship. So it's a good area to hit ships in.

16 Miles?
Cmon zaph, thats a long ways off for evidence of an intercept....
Besides where DO the US aircraft get off warning the flight of F4s off in international airspace...?
This in itself is a provocation......never mind the predator operating near their coast.....(if indeed it was....)
They sure as hell had a right to be up there monitoring the situation as do the US.......
Im tellin ya the US is playin the "punch me" game hoping for a provocation......
Iran is a slow start, but they do have some missile capability......i wonder what their AAA missiles can really do?
Also their airborne air to air capability
They could come up with a long stand off hypersonic or whatever aa missile (maybe with Rusky or Chinese help)it would about even the odds in air to air combat scenarios......Indeed there are systems available now that would make a campaign costly in aircraft......and the Iranians are far from stupid.......

reply to post by stirling


Sixteen miles is well within air to air missile range if they wanted to take a shot with one. That's plenty close enough. But you guys are right, the Iranians just wanted to go fly around and say hi, and take pretty pictures of the ocean. The fact that they happened to be flying directly towards the Predator flying in international airspace is pure coincidence, and the US is to blame for putting it in their way. Damn the US!

They can monitor the situation while remaining well clear of the Predator. It's not like they were going to be able to fly alongside it and escort it, since the F-4 is much faster and doesn't have the best slow speed handling characteristics.

Where do the Iranian's get off interfering with a plane in international airspace? They've shot at UAVs flying in international airspace, and they were trying to intercept this one. What gives them the right?

Iran should be carefull! I understand they have some predators equiped with US state of the Art A2A missles they can either be heat guided or Radar missles guided in by an AWACS lock from 100's++ of miles away while the Predator fires them withen range of the targets. Suck to fight a Robot when you have zero chance of fighting its controller or the guidance Aircraft that is 100's of miles away.

Not to mention you would likely be fighting swarms of cheap A2A UAV's with no enemy inside.

Originally posted by amkia
reply to post by zonetripper2065

 

Question to ask...

Since when yanks are allowed to give warning to the local (Whether they are military or civilian flights) IN INTERNATIONAL WATER AND AIR SPACE..?

Perfectly routine procedures and nothing unusual about being warned off even in International Waters. The Iranians can and do the same with their units operating in international waters. For example firing exclusion zone, gunnery zones will be announced before hand with Notices to Mariners and Airmen. If a military commander, of any nation, deems that their operations or units are or are about to be interfered with then they have the right to warn off.

See following video of Iranian forces monitoring US vessels. The Iranians are well versed in such procedures and know that Coaliton vessels will request their intentions via international radio frequencies. For example see around 05:18 for the Iranian Navy F-27 maritime patrol aircraft making a visual pass on Coalition vessels. The problems arise when no clear intentions are announced.

As nations endeavor to protect their interests in the maritime environment during peacetime they might employ naval forces in geographic areas where various land, air, surface, and subsurface threats exist. Commanders are then faced with ascertaining the intent of entities (e.g., small boats, low slow flyers (LSFs), jet skis, swimmers) proceeding toward their units. Oftentimes ascertaining intent is a very difficult problem, especially when operating in the littorals where air and surface traffic is heavy. Given an uncertain operating environment, commanders may be inclined to establish some type of assessment, threat, or warning zone around their units in an effort to help sort the common operational picture and ascertain the intent of inbound entities. This objective may be accomplished during peacetime while adhering to international law as long as the navigational rights of other ships, submarines, and aircraft are respected. Specifically, when operating in international waters, commanders may assert notice (via NOTAMs and NOTMARs) that within a certain geographic area, for a certain period of time, dangerous military activities will be taking place. Commanders may request that entities traversing the area communicate with them and state their intentions.

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reply to post by Zaphod58



Do you see or read anywhere in that report any sign of interference or provocations by the Iranian Air force mate.? Coz I don’t see any.

They have the same right as their American counter part to stay in that zone as long as they wished flying above, side by side or under the drone as they wish (in international water and air space), my question was and still is.. Why issuing warning knowing that this incident happened in (international air and water space).

Then again since when patrolling the coastal lines for county’s protection l is under the question by anyone? What would happen if Iran did the same around the US..?


My arrogance..?

What would you do if or when a well-known International terrorist, thief and murderer sneaking around your yard..?

Call the ghost busters..?

Dangerous provocations....

Don't take the bait.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by stirling

 

Sixteen miles is well within air to air missile range if they wanted to take a shot with one. That's plenty close enough. But you guys are right, the Iranians just wanted to go fly around and say hi, and take pretty pictures of the ocean. The fact that they happened to be flying directly towards the Predator flying in international airspace is pure coincidence, and the US is to blame for putting it in their way. Damn the US!

They can monitor the situation while remaining well clear of the Predator. It's not like they were going to be able to fly alongside it and escort it, since the F-4 is much faster and doesn't have the best slow speed handling characteristics.

Where do the Iranian's get off interfering with a plane in international airspace? They've shot at UAVs flying in international airspace, and they were trying to intercept this one. What gives them the right?

edit on 3/15/2013 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)

Are you saying 16 miles is not far enough away ?

I see comercial aircraft all the time flying within that distance of each other.

Gotta love these Americans, they think they have a right to everything.

reply to post by amkia


If a fighter is flying towards a plane (took off and began flying directly towards the plane) flying in international airspace (regardless of the nations involved), what would your first thought be? Again, Iran is a signatory of the ICAO treaty that says all aircraft have a right for uninterrupted flight in international airspace. They had every right to fly there, but no right to interfere with the Predator's flight. If they were doing nothing by flying around, simply turn and go around the Predator, or make a radio call saying they're transiting the area (really simply way to prevent a misunderstanding). If said fighter turns 180 degrees and leaves the area, then you can make a pretty fair assumption that they were there to bother the Predator.

I would do all I could to prevent a misunderstanding, or provoke a shooting match. Especially if the other country was much stronger militarily than I was.

reply to post by ken10


Unarmed commercial aircraft flying under 16 miles is a completely different scenario as you are well aware. Armed aircraft flying with the possible intent of shooting down an aircraft in international airspace (as Iran has attempted before) carry missiles that range out to close to 100 miles.