What the Eyes Tell Us

Originally posted by bb23108

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
The mind seems to jump outside and look from a different 'perspective' .

Regardless of what the mind does, it is clear that no matter how many perspectives (or points of view) could be taken into account, there would be no visually accounting for how the room ACTUALLY looks altogether in reality. Because there are an innumerable amount of points of view that would have to be seen for one to say they actually see with their eyes what the room looks like in reality.

From where you sit presently look at the 'room' with your eyes - not your mind. Look now. Can you see 4 walls at one time?
You do have to take into account what the mind does - because the mind fills in what is not there. The mind is always filling what is not actually experienced 'directly' - like the fourth wall. The mind tells you what the room looks like and you believe it without question, in fact you disregard what is really seen with the eyes in favour of what the mind 'assumes'.

There are innumerable 'points of view' where the mind is concerned (versions of truth) but the seeing is one.

Jesus tried to teach the blind to see and the deaf to hear. Instead to seeing with the mind (which is impossible) see directly.

Originally posted by bb23108

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Complete seeing happens presently. You will never see the past.
Even thoughts appearing that speak of past are arising presently and are seen presently.
What is happening (arising) presently is reality because there is nothing else.
Presence is all.

As I responded prior to this post, what you are experiencing when you see something is the memory or image of that object and that takes time to create the memory, and then process the memory. So the eyes are not a completely reliable faculty for basing an understanding of our actual reality on.

What is happening presently is reality - is there anything more real than what is actually happening?

If a memory or thought is happening presently then that is what is happening. The 'story' the thought or memory is telling is questionable, but the 'seeing' of the thought is actually happening. Without the 'seeing' of the thought arising could there be any thought known? Could the many perspectives that the mind produces be 'seen'?

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Originally posted by dontreally
What the Eyes Tell Us


There are two ways to understand the world about us: through science, or through religion. Yet, like the eyes, neither is sufficient to give us a 280 degree understanding of the world.

The reason for someone to understand the world about himself or us is because there has been found something that is wrong. The solution is to solve the problem. When there is no aim to solve the problem, and one cannot unbound the connection with the problem, suffering occurs and people start to ask questions about how and why.

Just in case.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
There are innumerable 'points of view' where the mind is concerned (versions of truth) but the seeing is one.

The seeing with the eyes is simply one point of view, one angle of vision, and then the perception of this memory is experienced.

If one was to actually see what the room actually looks like, one would have to transcend point of view (reductionism) and see it altogether all at once. Our eyes do not do this, nor does the mind - both are inherently point-of-view machines.

Only Reality Itself is beyond all reductionism - i.e., any and all points of view. Any point of view is a limit - either self-imposed for scientific reasons or self-imposed for the sake of making an apparent ego-I.

This is not to say that Reality excludes all such occurrences of reductionism - for if it excluded anything, it would also be reductive, and therefore at best only a piece of the truth.

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Interesting.

I believe what most people say is true:

"The eyes are the window to the soul".

It's possible to look into someone's eyes and see if they are peaceful, to see if they are stressed, sad, happy, you can tell so much from looking into one's eyes.