Why Does Circle K Scan My Driver's License When I Buy Beer / Cigarettes?

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posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 06:49 PM
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I buy my gas at a convience store, and pay with a credit card. I scan the card, and they ask for my zip code. This is true regardless of the station or the state. I don't buy alcohol at any convienece store. If I buy booze, I go to my local liquor store, and pay cash. I have never been carded, because I wear my age on my chin. When I have been in other states, I have followed the same process, and have never been carded. At home, develop a good friendship/woring relationship with a liquor store owner. They will be happy to have your business. Quit dealing with these piddly ass chains, and keep your money in your home town.
And don't believe companies don't hold on to your info. I get flyers from kroger weekly, based on what my wife or I have purchase receently.




posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by solomons path

Originally posted by winofiend
reply to post by sdcigarpig
 


We penalise the public customer because we as management hire idiots who serve to minors.

Got it, sounds legit...



How is the customer penalized exactly? By having to pull two cards out of their wallet? The info isn't sent anywhere . . . the register reads the DOB and allows the transaction. End of story.



No, you don't get to decide "end of story"...


If the register is reading my DOB....

And of course in your opinion not saving any of my personal info


Then why in the Hell does the clerk even bother looking at it first?

Do you understand the process of slow takeover tyranny?

I think not.



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 07:46 PM
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I have to agree with the idea that it's complete garbage that they have to scan your ID, but I love how so many people in this thread insult or get pissy with the cashier checking them out that makes maybe fifty cents above minimum wage and is only following regulations sent down by management.



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 07:56 PM
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I got some canned air at target and the kid said he needed to see my ID. Thinking nothing of it I handed it to him. I was not too pleased when he scanned it. Why is that necessary? F them



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 08:14 PM
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reply to post by Signals
 


they do this almost everywhere in the good old police state of MA where I live. its hard to not find them anymore.



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by Signals
So, the Circle K convenience store close to my house has recently started to enforce some new "company policies".

A little back story- I am, well, let's say I'm over 40. I doubt anyone with a lower level IQ on this planet would mistake me for being under 21, excluding a blind person. I stop in this store EVERY DAY on my way home from work. I work for a beer distributor, and have actually delivered beer to this store in the past. All of the clerks know me....

Anyway, a few months ago they started to enforce a policy of checking everyone's ID...everyone. Even a little old lady with walker and blue hair. I can deal with that, even though common sense is completely thrown out of the _

Logic is the enemy and truth is a menace!

Now, not only do they check my DL, they are required by "management" to scan it on their swipe machine. When asked, the clerk said "it's our company policy and the machine verifies if your ID is valid".

Where is my ID information being stored and for how long?

Who is seeing this information?

How much police state are you willing to put up with?



Circle K was also the first retailer to adopt the use of electronic age verifiers and are placing them in all stores. These devices simplify the process of confirming the validity of an ID by reading the magnetic strip or bar code on the back of drivers licenses. The devices also reduce the chance of human error in calculating the purchaser's age by displaying it automatically for our clerks. New store employees receive training before they begin working at Circle K, including how to recognize fake IDs and how to refuse a sale. Circle K's policy is to ask for proper identification from anyone who looks 30 or younger.


Here's the kicker -


September is National Preparedness Month (NPM), a nationwide effort sponsored by the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s Ready Campaign in partnership with Citizen Corps. We are pleased to announce Landrum Human Resource Companies is taking part in this nationwide effort to help the communities we serve prepare for emergencies. This year, NPM focuses on encouraging you and other Americans to take active steps toward getting involved and becoming prepared. Preparedness is everyone’s responsibility. We have to work together, as a team, to ensure that individuals, families, and communities are ready.


www.circlekgulfcoast.com...

FEMA, HUH ?

So, I'm about ready to say to Hell with Circle K and drive out of my way to get what I want.

Thoughts?


You have an issue with Circle K itself... Not circle K the company... They are different companies. One runs the retail portion, the other relays on the fuel portion.

The profits that comprise the area of indifference is open to negotiations. State boundaries open up trade routes...



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by Signals

Originally posted by solomons path

Originally posted by winofiend
reply to post by sdcigarpig
 


We penalise the public customer because we as management hire idiots who serve to minors.

Got it, sounds legit...



How is the customer penalized exactly? By having to pull two cards out of their wallet? The info isn't sent anywhere . . . the register reads the DOB and allows the transaction. End of story.



No, you don't get to decide "end of story"...


If the register is reading my DOB....

And of course in your opinion not saving any of my personal info


Then why in the Hell does the clerk even bother looking at it first?

Do you understand the process of slow takeover tyranny?

I think not.



I understand the concept quite well . . . I was raised in it. I'm only here, in the US, due to my Great and Grandparents escaping/surviving the events in Central Europe, in between and during the WW's. That's why when I see those that see it in everything, I scoff . . . paranoia and a tin hat that fits too tight doesn't make someone right. I've also been into CT issues, since the 70's . . . so, I've seen every new technology invented since be equated to this issue and yet, those items never equate to tyranny. And a store verifing legitimacy of the ID and the information on it does not fall into the "tyranny" category. Either does a business covering their a - - , from a liablity standpoint.

I also worked loss prevention for a major retailer during college, so I've seen/heard every paranoid reason for not wanting to show ID based on ignorance of the technologies used or what one thought the company wanted ID information for.

Now, I will admit there are some things that I see as "scary" possiblities, such as adding RFID to IDs or things like the PASS ID (basically a national internal passport) . . . however, scanning or in AZ's case swiping your ID to verify age and authenticity or the unreliablity of minimum wage workers who could care less about getting a retailer fined doesn't fall into that category, either.

If you want to believe such or disbelieve that this technology "steals your info" . . . you are free to stop going to Circle K or stop purchasing age restrictive items . . . don't drink, don't smoke, don't use porn, quit frequenting establishments with age limits, etc. It's your choice to engage in those activities, even if addicted, it's still your choice . . . unless you like to employee the victim mentality.

Now if you want to agrue against the policy of "age limits" to begin with and their relation to government overreach and the proliferation of "nanny state" policies . . . that's a different discussion and one we might both agreement on.
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posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by solomons path

Originally posted by Signals

Originally posted by solomons path

Originally posted by winofiend
reply to post by sdcigarpig
 


We penalise the public customer... Got it, sounds legit...



How is the customer penalized exactly? By having to pull two cards out of their wallet? The info isn't sent anywhere . . . the register reads the DOB and allows the transaction. End of story.


Now, I will admit there are some things that I see as "scary" possiblities, such as adding RFID to IDs or things like the PASS ID (basically a national internal passport) . . .this technology "steals your info" . . . you are free to stop going to Circle K or stop purchasing age restrictive items . . . unless you like to employee the victim mentality.

Now if you want to warn against the policy of "age limits" to begin with and their relation to government overreach and the proliferation of "nanny state" policies . . . that's a different discussion and one we might both agreement on.
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READ THIS INFO


Yeah.... So, I'll stop going to Circle K... and I suggest other do so as well..
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posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 09:42 PM
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Did you just "quote" me or was that also a response to me? If so, what was significant about what you "quoted"?

Being clear as to your intent helps.
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posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by MrSpad
Most places do this. Just validates its is real and limits the chances of getting shut down or fined for selling to a minor. Nothing more simple than just having the clerk scan every ID so they do not have figure out if it is legit.


And that is exactly why my friend,..

The store owners get real tired of idiots selling to minors.

The easy way out is to not let the register ring it up if the scan doesnt produce validation of age.

It is simple economics to the business owner.

And quite honestly, it is alot faster to me as a customer than waiting for some teenager trying to figure out where my birthday is on my license and then doing the math in their heads.(or fingers lol)



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 09:44 PM
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Wish I could star you twice . . . Logic and reason, however, are lost on the paranoid.


(emoticons . . . 'cuz second lines used to be standard).



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by Catalyst317

Originally posted by solomons path

Originally posted by Signals

Originally posted by solomons path

Originally posted by winofiend
reply to post by sdcigarpig
 


We penalise the public customer... Got it, sounds legit...



How is the customer penalized exactly? By having to pull two cards out of their wallet? The info isn't sent anywhere . . . the register reads the DOB and allows the transaction. End of story.


Now, I will admit there are some things that I see as "scary" possiblities, such as adding RFID to IDs or things like the PASS ID (basically a national internal passport) . . .this technology "steals your info" . . . you are free to stop going to Circle K or stop purchasing age restrictive items . . . unless you like to employee the victim mentality.

Now if you want to warn against the policy of "age limits" to begin with and their relation to government overreach and the proliferation of "nanny state" policies . . . that's a different discussion and one we might both agreement on.
edit on 3/15/13 by solomons path because: (no reason given)


READ THIS INFO


Yeah.... So, I'll stop going to Circle K... and I suggest other do so as well..
edit on 15-3-2013 by Catalyst317 because: (no reason given)


I also noticed you deleted portions of what you actually quoted to make it seem like it says something else . . . That make you, at best, intellectually dishonest . . . Let me, once again, and without your creative editing skills quote those two paragraphs.


Now, I will admit there are some things that I see as "scary" possiblities, such as adding RFID to IDs or things like the PASS ID (basically a national internal passport) . . . however, scanning or in AZ's case swiping your ID to verify age and authenticity or the unreliablity of minimum wage workers who could care less about getting a retailer fined doesn't fall into that category, either.

If you want to believe such or disbelieve that this technology "steals your info" . . . you are free to stop going to Circle K or stop purchasing age restrictive items . . . don't drink, don't smoke, don't use porn, quit frequenting establishments with age limits, etc. It's your choice to engage in those activities, even if addicted, it's still your choice . . . unless you like to employee the victim mentality.


I realize that accuracy and truth, let alone responsiblity or intellect, are not th hallmarks of the facebook/twitter generation . . . However, don't twist my words or creatively reconstruct my position . . . T&C and site motto may bite you in the end.


"Each post of each thread contains a "copyright" link that clearly specifies the method in which the material may be shared, distributed, modified, or used. "



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posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 10:07 PM
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don't drink, don't smoke, don't use porn, quit frequenting establishments with age limits, etc. It's your choice to engage in those activities, even if addicted, it's still your choice . . .


Yeah, I see where you're coming from now.

Loss prevention, huh?

When in doubt, attack the poster, works almost every time.



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by solomons path
reply to post by Catalyst317
 


Did you just "quote" me or was that also a response to me? If so, what was significant about what you "quoted"?

Being clear as to your intent helps.
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What was "quoted" from you? I merely pointed out that there are two completely different portions of the Circle K, neither of which I have EVER had to scan my license....

Why are you getting so bent out of shape about it?



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 10:13 PM
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Look at your post . . . that was quoted in my response about you changing it . . . 6 posts above your prior post.

It is clearly a quote of my post that says "READ THIS INFO"

ETA - and the content was clearly edited to say the exact opposite of what the original said.
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posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by Signals
reply to post by solomons path
 





don't drink, don't smoke, don't use porn, quit frequenting establishments with age limits, etc. It's your choice to engage in those activities, even if addicted, it's still your choice . . .


Yeah, I see where you're coming from now.

Loss prevention, huh?

When in doubt, attack the poster, works almost every time.



How is that an attack? I don't care if you do those things, as I said that is your choice. As part of making that choice, you have to adhere to state or retail policy on sale of restricted (by age and which I don't agree with) items.

I used to drink heavily . . . now socially. Used to smoke . . . but, I chose to quit. So, I'm not bashing those that do. Simply stating you can either quit those activities, if you feel you info is being stolen, or stop frequenting establishments that have this policy. It's not like Circle K requires ID for ThirstBusters and beef jerky or Circle K is the only store in your state. I'm sure there may be some mom and pops locals that don't even ask for ID still; however, you may have to drive a ways.
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posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 10:32 PM
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yup, vote with your money and do business elsewhere



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 10:56 PM
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Your information will be stored and used against you somehow. In a not far future we will see insurance companies denying claims because you are an alcoholic and you were probably drunk in the accident. Or you will pay much more for your health insurance because they can see you buy cigarretes and therefore the probability of growing cancer is much higher.

A curious story on the same subject: I used to buy beer every sunday night at a conveninece store on the way home. The same clerk would ask for my ID whenever I was shaved and not ask for it when I didn't shave for a few days. That would be just odd if I would go there once in a while, but I was a frequent shopper. By the fifth time he should be familiarized with me and my age already.



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 11:06 PM
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I asked about this too in my own town. I was originally not planning on bringing it up since I don't usually display the "conspiracy side" of myself in real life and did not want to ask in the first place.. But I did, just to see what they might say.

I asked the gas station attendant, with a normal tone of voice and nonshalantly "I was just wondering why you need to scan my driver's license to buy a pack of smokes... I mean.... you can just look at it and see my DOB and picture without scanning it can't you?" And she got all Defensive and her eye brows went up like I just told her she was ugly or something... and she went on and on about it. First she claimed she didn't know for sure and she would ask, and then she claimed it's to make sure everyone is getting carded and babbled on about whatever else... And she said, "while' Id like to respect your wishes it's just what we do. I could check company policy on that for you when I talk to my manager........"

I also told her why I was asking, I said "well, wouldn't it perhaps be an invasion of privacy to store my ID information on your computer since you're just a gas station and not like a DMV or other place like that that holds information securely?

My almost exact words.

She said, no, we don't "Store" the information. She said all it tells us is what is on the license but it is not stored in a database after checkout.

I said no big deal. that's fine, you can scan it I guess........ (not wanting to even discuss it anymore since she made it into such a big deal by going on and on about it) She was talking like a million miles an hour lol.

So that was my nice little moment of questioning. I usually don't talk about this stuff in public. THIS IS A FIRST FOR ME! Do I get a gold conspiracy theorist ribbon for my first time?!



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by mailboxuser2009
That would be just odd if I would go there once in a while, but I was a frequent shopper. By the fifth time he should be familiarized with me and my age already.


And if you have ever been in a store that generally recognised and didnt card you, after they got popped for sales to a minor?...

and suddenly they card you like you were some teenager they never saw.

It is simply cause they got fined and want to keep their license.

It isnt science,..unless you talk of the science of staying in business.





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