LA Times - Peril from 'Patriots" (we all need to be 'closely monitored')

** That's the title of the LA Times Article

According to this bozo - patriotic white folks who exercise their 2nd Amendment right to self protection through the use of firearms are a bigger threat to the USA than international terrorists. The author calls for anyone who isn't blind like he is to be 'closely monitored' by the anti-terrorist task forces in the government. Guess he can't see that he's the one supporting terrorism .. he's the one that would take away self protection from law abiding citizens which would let the criminals run the streets.

And I find it wild that he threw 'patriotic WHITE folks' in his anti-freedom rant.
Pulled the race card ...

LA Times - Peril from 'Patriots"

There are, in increasingly frightening numbers, cells of angry men in the United States preparing for combat with the U.S. government. They are usually heavily armed, blinded by an intractable hatred, often motivated by religious zeal.

They're not jihadists. They are white, right-wing Americans, nearly all with an obsessive attachment to guns, who may represent a greater danger to the lives of American civilians than international terrorists.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which has been tracking hate groups for 30 years, released its latest report on the growth of these organizations this week. Its findings were, to say the least, alarming. The center divides its subjects into militias, which are mostly groups of weekend warriors who train for combat against imaginary foes; hate groups, which target minorities; and "patriot" groups, whose beef is with the U.S. government. Patriot groups first began surfacing after the massacre of a bizarre sect by federal agents in Waco, Texas, in the early 1990s. They showed their teeth in 1995, when a patriot adherent blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City.

Apparently we are all just like Timothy McVeigh.
Apparently belief that the United Nations is bad for America is crazy.
Apparently belief that a One World Order could happen is outlandish.

Worst part of this insane article -

These groups should be closely monitored, with resources adequate to the task, even if it means shifting some homeland security money from the hunt for foreign terrorists.

Wow. Just wow. Everyone see's what's happening here, right? And the divide thickens..........

I wonder if Gabby Giffords is someone who needs to be closely monitored?
Photo Gabby Giffords with AR15
This picture is on facebook ... so I can't verify or anything ....

reply to post by FlyersFan


From The Southern Poverty Law Center website.

The new report, contained in the latest issue of the quarterly investigative journal Intelligence Report, found that the conspiracy-minded Patriot groups, which numbered only 149 in 2008, soared over the first four years of Barack Obama’s presidency to 1,360 in 2012 — an astounding 813% increase.

813% increase.

The resurgence of the Patriot movement, which first rose and fell in the 1990s, has largely been a reaction to the election of the nation’s first black president in 2008 — and the demographic change, including the loss of the country’s white majority predicted for 2043, that he represents — as well as the difficult economy.

White majority gone in 2043.

Patriot groups generally adhere to variations of a conspiracy theory that suggests that the federal government has secret plans to impose martial law on the United States

New SPLC Report: ‘Patriot’ Movement Swells for Fourth Year

You seem to be proving their point for them.

Odd that he'd mention color at all. I guess other groups like the New Black Panther Party calling for unrest and open violence recently in Florida is just peachy and no big deal? Extremism is what poses a peril to our nation and it's rising in all shapes and sizes, as it happens.

It's all ugly...but it's all kinds. That guy is part of the problem, not the solution.

Of course they should be monitored, to the point of taking funds from monitoring "actual" terrorists. It's about time for another 911 isn't it?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


You mean this one?

The New Black Panther Party member who stood in front of a single Philadelphia polling station on Election Day, and drew a disproportionate amount of critical attention from conservative media, was "nonthreatening" and "relatively pleasant to speak with," said a retired military intelligence officer who investigated the man.

New Black Panther Was 'Pleasant To Speak With,' Says Poll Watcher

Yes, we should all be terrified.

Sigh.

I'm of the opinion that everyone should be required to own at least one handgun and know how to use it.

I'm also of the opinion that no one single person should need more than 5 different types of firearm, where anything more should call for registration of a "collector's" license or something similar.

Controversial, yes, but, it'd allow all the gun nuts to have some guns, as well as satisfy worries over people stockpiling arsenals.

Now that Al Qaeda is our friend and "ally" in places like Syria, a new terrorist boogeyman needs to be created. It was obvious that this was coming.

You create an enemy (usually by doing something bad), then you demonize him so the general population is brainwashed into viewing him as something to fear....and then you eliminate him.

Never in my half century on this planet would I ever have thought that an American who is patriotic and supports the founding documents of this country would be demonized, marginalized, and hunted like a common criminal without there being a complete take-over of the government by a conflicting ideology.

Oh, wait......that's exactly what happened.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Odd that he'd mention color at all.

Yep .. that really stuck out to me. Law abiding WHITE folks who own guns for self protection need to be watched ... but the BLACK folks who are in the New Black Panthers and who call for the murder of George Zimmerman and who intimidate voters at polling places ... they aren't in need of being 'closely monitored'.

The author of this OPT-ED is an idiot.

Id bet willing to bet this "author" got his script from a Fort Bragg computer.
If you dont understand that the US Army Psychological Warfare specialists were "embedded "with the CNN News staff during recent conflicts......you cannot possibly fathom the depth of the psycho war you are being played by......

reply to post by BritofTexas

Your sarcasm is disturbing. I think you mean these two fine citizens...with the baton.



Tell me... Is it equally welcome for KKK in their white robes to stand outside some polling places in Mississippi or Alabama? Lets say they do absolutely nothing more than those two there. Nothing more and nothing less. Work for you? Neither works for me... The NBPP does so much more though.



He makes absolutely no qualms about the hatred for anything white.



...and who can forget the New Black Panther Party openly offering a high dollar bounty for the citizen (read: vigilante) capture of a fellow American. Well, now that was called lynching and still would be, to even be mentioned in joking if the race roles were reversed here. It wasn't even strictly white/black on that one.

My point was and still is that extremes exist on both ends and the hate flows pretty freely from racists and extremists of different colors, white and black. It's never pretty but it absolutely does exist. Ignorance is color blind for who suffers the most from it in my experience.

Originally posted by stirling
Id bet willing to bet this "author" got his script from a Fort Bragg computer.
If you dont understand that the US Army Psychological Warfare specialists were "embedded "with the CNN News staff during recent conflicts......you cannot possibly fathom the depth of the psycho war you are being played by......

I'm searching but can't find any information about this. Then again, I'm no googling wizard.

Could you please provide a link or an idea of where you learned of this?

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Your sarcasm is disturbing. I think you mean these two fine citizens...with the baton.

No. I meant the one fine citizen in the article.

But Patton, who had observed Jackson repeatedly on Election Day, occasionally concealed by the bushes across the street, and eventually had a conversation with him, said the idea that the man was intimidating voters was a mischaracterization of what happened.

Paton was part of

a small cadre of conservative retired military members, including former special forces operatives, who set out on Tuesday morning to root out any signs of voter intimidation by Obama-supporting groups.

Tell me... Is it equally welcome for KKK in their white robes to stand outside some polling places in Mississippi or Alabama? Lets say they do absolutely nothing more than those two there. Nothing more and nothing less. Work for you? Neither works for me...

Obviously no voter intimidation should be tolerated.

He makes absolutely no qualms about the hatred for anything white.

Then he is quite obviously Racist.

My point was and still is that extremes exist on both ends and the hate flows pretty freely from racists and extremists of different colors, white and black. It's never pretty but it absolutely does exist. Ignorance is color blind for who suffers the most from it in my experience.

Agreed, extremes exist on both sides.

However the Rabid Right seem to have somewhat of a Monopolly on extremism at the moment.

You cite TNBP (whom in no way am i defending) but they are one group with only a few members.

The report by the Southern Poverty Law Center cites 1,360 different disturbing organizations.

Originally posted by BritofTexas
Agreed, extremes exist on both sides.
However the Rabid Right seem to have somewhat of a Monopolly on extremism at the moment.

I'd call the guy who wrote this Opt-Ed to be an extremist. And he's obviously left wing (as well as anti-white for some strange reason). I don't think you can say that the right has a monopoly on extremists. You might have a different definition of 'extremist' then the rest of us ...

I'm so tired of the generalizing and demonizing of whole masses of people. They do it to everyone. Liberals, conservatives, Muslims, patriotic groups, gun owners...

This article makes me ill. It is frightening. I've known the intention for some time now and expect this type of thing, but that doesn't make the sting any less painful when confronted with it.

The scariest thing is they've actually created an army of very ill informed people who are scared and angry that do not truly have an understanding of freedom and liberty and the true nature of this country yet believe they are defending it, who will be used as the "classic" patriot type, a caricature. Take the Tea Party.. Starts out legitimate, but most these people now a days are the type who preach Liberty out one side of their mouth while calling for restriction of rights (like marriage laws or outlawing abortion) out the other. They cannot see the irony. These nuts will be used to destroy the real movement.

Go back to sleep, America. The Federal Government has it all figured out for you. No need to worry, no need to even think. You are all irrational and incapable, we know what is best for you. Go fight our wars and charge useless crap to your credit cards, but do not challenge us. We would never harm you or your family...

Give me liberty or give me death.

This is a huge problem and exactly what is wrong with this country. Exercising the rights given to us by the single most important document of our history, that this very nation was founded on, makes people dangerous? Do these people even have a clue?

They should be a bit more protective of the constitution, because, that document is precisely what gives them the right bitch about the so called patriots in the first place.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by BritofTexas
Agreed, extremes exist on both sides.
However the Rabid Right seem to have somewhat of a Monopolly on extremism at the moment.

I'd call the guy who wrote this Opt-Ed to be an extremist. And he's obviously left wing (as well as anti-white for some strange reason).

He just seems to be quoting the report. Have you read it? Here's the link.

The Year in Hate and Extremism

I don't think you can say that the right has a monopoly on extremists.

I don't have to, the report says it all.

The number of antigovernment “Patriot” groups on the American radical right hit an all-time high in 2012, the fourth straight year of explosive growth, according to a report released today by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

You might have a different definition of 'extremist' then the rest of us ...

Yep. I'm pretty sure the patriots in those hate groups do not consider themselves "extreme".

I am probably one of those extremists.

I own an ugly gun with no sporting purpose.

I go to church regularly.

I will fight to the death to defend my God given rights

I will gladly go to war to defend against religous extremists whose sole purpose is to see me dead

i will gladly stand in front of my elected officials and speak my mind

I am intolerant of those that do not appreciate my way of life and wish to deny me of my rights while trying to gain an upper hand

I believe that we are all born equal. That is blind, naked, and helpless. What we do with ourselves after that is what sets us apart.

And unlike many that will disagree with me I will stand beside them and fight when their rights are trampled as well.

reluctantpawn

reply to post by BritofTexas

You cite TNBP (whom in no way am i defending) but they are one group with only a few members.

The report by the Southern Poverty Law Center cites 1,360 different disturbing organizations.

Well, I think my biggest question here and in terms of the original Op-Ed and Law Center List....precisely what criteria is being used? I've heard some describe Christian Identity as being a right wing patriot group. Extremist, I'll agree with. Right Wing? Perhaps in some ways ....left enough to snap in half in others. Hate wing is more like it.

Yet, I'll bet they or a variation of the core group sits on that list and makes for a number.

Here in Missouri we have more than one State Militia organization. They are 100% citizen formed, trained and operated (like some of those nutty ones you hear about). They also have a history and record of working with, not against, Sheriff's departments and others for things like Search and Rescue, when pure manpower is needed. Cops know who they can call and response is given. It doesn't need to be adversarial. It isn't that way everywhere. This is also a fully armed and weapons trained/carrying Militia. No half ways on that part. Cooperation though, not alienation. It works.

I'll bet the different arms of the Missouri Militia are on their list too though.

So how they created the list is as or more important than who came to land on it by that criteria. If it's fitting and proper criteria, then I should see groups representing various races, interests and socio-economic groups in the Southern Poverty Law Center's material. Funny though..I never seem to. Almost like they were particular or something.