Originally posted by Chippa
Originally posted by Templeton
John Titor would be buried in my hoax bin right next to D4rk Kn1ght and
hidden-hand if it weren't for the fact that the time machine schematics he produced
resulted in a patent. Not that patents mean a whole lot
these days but someone thought it was worth it to spend the money on it.
I do not give his "prophesy" much weight at all. They are all too vague and based on conditions that were present when they were written.
I also don't think time travel will ever be possible, or we would know. Even then, this picture sums it up:
Okay I am now CONVINCED that this guy is a hoaxer. If he is associated with that patent you linked too, then for sure it is a hoax.
I read through some of that patent and there is some serious ignorance with fundamental electrical science. I can't believe that the patent office
will award something like this. If they do, then the reviewers are in bed with the flu or worse.
Example: paragraph 0258: quote ".....with matter other than iron cobalt or nickel ....etc....magnets do not appear to exist with other materials."
Wrong! You can make a magnet out of wax for crying out loud. Or how about the rare earth Super Magnets made of neodymium.
Next on the list is para 0257: "Conversely in two wires with current going in opposite directions the graviton waves are in anti-phase and would
interact destructively between the wires......etc....and produce apparent repulsion between the wires, which is exactly what is observed."
Wrong again. This is never observed. Example: Ethernet wire is based on Twisted Pair, differential technology. This means that current is going in
opposite directions, and there is never repulsion observed. How about your house wiring. The Ac hot and the AC neutral have current in the opposite
direction, but they don't repulse either. Physics says to apply the right hand rule of currents when looking at current in opposite directions in two
wires, and guess what NO REPULSION.
These paragraphs are enough for me to debunk this thing. I don't feel like reading anymore nonsense.
One other point. This patent shows no working device. This is a requirement for a Patent. No device = No patent. There is such a thing as a "Design
Patent", but it would also state that it is a Design Patent. This thing does not display that.
This Patent (Filed never awarded), and this Titor, are a hoax plain and simple.
Well atleast thats cleared up
Its actually just an application and no patent, plus it was filed in 2004 which is 3 years after Titor left. So at
best its just more speculation
If you take a look at the full insert in context it doesnt look like that is whats being said. Plus i doubt anyone willing to waste that much time is
going to make silly mistakes like that. As for the second part....we dont actually have a working device to prove or disprove any of the text so again
thats not really solid.
It isn't the proof you're looking for, ultimately most hoax criers dont want to accept anything that might upset the balance of their ego and world
perception. Thus the influx of nay-sayers. This conversation originally had nothing to do with the validity of John Titors story but became that way
because of these people. You have to ask yourself if you're a
1.Denying, when only doubt has been established
2.Double standards in the application of criticism
3.The tendency to discredit rather than investigate
4.Presenting insufficient evidence or proof
5.Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof
6.Making unsubstantiated counter-claims
7.Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence
8.Suggesting that unconvincing evidence provides grounds for completely dismissing a claim
or a Skeptic
1.Acceptance of doubt when neither assertion nor denial has been established
2.No burden of proof to take an agnostic position
3.Agreement that the corpus of established knowledge must be based on what is proved, but recognising its incompleteness
4.Even-handedness in requirement for proofs, whatever their implication
5.Accepting that a failure of a proof in itself proves nothing
6.Continuing examination of the results of experiments even when flaws are found
Ultimately everyone makes a determination early on how they are going to approach every situation. Truth is its unfalsifiable....plain and simple. You
can believe or scream hoax for whatever reasons but at the end of the day theres still a story and people want to talk about it. So why can't we all
get along and agree to disagree.