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Originally posted by Under Water
reply to post by something wicked
Please understand, as I've already said multiple times, when I say before 911, I'm not talking about the entire history of America for crying out loud, I'm talking about when he was posting his predictions, all within only 1 year of 911. And no, during that time just before 911 happened, we were not frequently discussing the possibility of civil war in this country, or the frequency of freedoms being stripped away from us, or the idea that ww3 was on our doorsteps or that russia might launch a nuke at us any second. It all seemed so distant from our minds back then. And I'm talking about your average person, not your average conspiracy groupie. The mood of the average populace has greatly changed in 13 years.
Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I really don't care if you agree with my observations or not, but before accusing me of looking for validation or whatever, please actually read everything I've posted carefully. I'm only trying to have a discussion about my observations. I'm not looking to prove anything. I'm not saying he was right or wrong. And seems other people here are having the same observations as me, so don't accuse me, i'm obviously not alone in my thinking. And there is nothing wrong with us discussing what we have noticed.
Originally posted by something wicked
You must have led a very sheltered life.
Originally posted by flyswatter
Originally posted by Under Water
reply to post by flyswatter
Well, that's your perspective, I disagree.
And please don't call me sir. I am not a man.
Not really just my "perspective", its a fact that we have been within minutes of full-scale nuclear exchange, well before 9/11 was a twinkle in anyone's eyes.
Suez in 1956, U2 incident in 1962 (this was probably the closest, and nearly out of our control), faulty alert in 1979. Take your pick.
Originally posted by HelenConway
Originally posted by flyswatter
Originally posted by Under Water
reply to post by flyswatter
Well, that's your perspective, I disagree.
And please don't call me sir. I am not a man.
Not really just my "perspective", its a fact that we have been within minutes of full-scale nuclear exchange, well before 9/11 was a twinkle in anyone's eyes.
Suez in 1956, U2 incident in 1962 (this was probably the closest, and nearly out of our control), faulty alert in 1979. Take your pick.
I agree with you you are right. However - the future is very uncertain.
I think the post from 'under water' above is a bit rude and ' sir' is polite if old fashioned and if an avatar has a male on it it is natural to assume the poster is male.
edit on 16-3-2013 by HelenConway because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by something wicked
Originally posted by Under Water
reply to post by something wicked
Please understand, as I've already said multiple times, when I say before 911, I'm not talking about the entire history of America for crying out loud, I'm talking about when he was posting his predictions, all within only 1 year of 911. And no, during that time just before 911 happened, we were not frequently discussing the possibility of civil war in this country, or the frequency of freedoms being stripped away from us, or the idea that ww3 was on our doorsteps or that russia might launch a nuke at us any second. It all seemed so distant from our minds back then. And I'm talking about your average person, not your average conspiracy groupie. The mood of the average populace has greatly changed in 13 years.
Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I really don't care if you agree with my observations or not, but before accusing me of looking for validation or whatever, please actually read everything I've posted carefully. I'm only trying to have a discussion about my observations. I'm not looking to prove anything. I'm not saying he was right or wrong. And seems other people here are having the same observations as me, so don't accuse me, i'm obviously not alone in my thinking. And there is nothing wrong with us discussing what we have noticed.
I have read, thank you. All I can say is the average person would have thought differently to you prior to 911 - you are projecting your own feelings at the time (or how you remember them from over a decade ago) onto everyone else. Are you familiar with the song two tribes by a band called Frankie Goes to Hollywood? It starts with an air raid siren followed by instructions on what to do in the event of a nuclear attack, the video featured US and Russian presidents slugging it out in a ring - that came out in the mid 80's.
You must have led a very sheltered life.
Originally posted by something wicked
Are you familiar with the song two tribes by a band called Frankie Goes to Hollywood? It starts with an air raid siren followed by instructions on what to do in the event of a nuclear attack, the video featured US and Russian presidents slugging it out in a ring - that came out in the mid 80's.
You must have led a very sheltered life.
“Perhaps I should let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future. This time period is looked at as being full of lazy, self-centered, civically ignorant sheep. You were the generation that had it all and squandered it. Perhaps you should be less concerned about me and more concerned about that.”
Originally posted by Templeton
John Titor would be buried in my hoax bin right next to D4rk Kn1ght and hidden-hand if it weren't for the fact that the time machine schematics he produced resulted in a patent. Not that patents mean a whole lot these days but someone thought it was worth it to spend the money on it.
I do not give his "prophesy" much weight at all. They are all too vague and based on conditions that were present when they were written.
I also don't think time travel will ever be possible, or we would know. Even then, this picture sums it up:
Originally posted by Whatifitdidhappen
Originally posted by thebtheb
I think i understand some of your post in that we create our worldlines rather than having them set in a time travelers outlined future, right?
I have to say i believe in the butterfly effect and something as small as reading a sentance on the web can change history in a big way
Yes, it's for me the idea that we, as the experiencers of these thing, are not necessarily completely out of the equation.
Originally posted by Chippa
Originally posted by Templeton
John Titor would be buried in my hoax bin right next to D4rk Kn1ght and hidden-hand if it weren't for the fact that the time machine schematics he produced resulted in a patent. Not that patents mean a whole lot these days but someone thought it was worth it to spend the money on it.
I do not give his "prophesy" much weight at all. They are all too vague and based on conditions that were present when they were written.
I also don't think time travel will ever be possible, or we would know. Even then, this picture sums it up:
Okay I am now CONVINCED that this guy is a hoaxer. If he is associated with that patent you linked too, then for sure it is a hoax.
I read through some of that patent and there is some serious ignorance with fundamental electrical science. I can't believe that the patent office will award something like this. If they do, then the reviewers are in bed with the flu or worse.
Example: paragraph 0258: quote ".....with matter other than iron cobalt or nickel ....etc....magnets do not appear to exist with other materials."
Wrong! You can make a magnet out of wax for crying out loud. Or how about the rare earth Super Magnets made of neodymium.
Next on the list is para 0257: "Conversely in two wires with current going in opposite directions the graviton waves are in anti-phase and would interact destructively between the wires......etc....and produce apparent repulsion between the wires, which is exactly what is observed."
Wrong again. This is never observed. Example: Ethernet wire is based on Twisted Pair, differential technology. This means that current is going in opposite directions, and there is never repulsion observed. How about your house wiring. The Ac hot and the AC neutral have current in the opposite direction, but they don't repulse either. Physics says to apply the right hand rule of currents when looking at current in opposite directions in two wires, and guess what NO REPULSION.
These paragraphs are enough for me to debunk this thing. I don't feel like reading anymore nonsense.
One other point. This patent shows no working device. This is a requirement for a Patent. No device = No patent. There is such a thing as a "Design Patent", but it would also state that it is a Design Patent. This thing does not display that.
This Patent (Filed never awarded), and this Titor, are a hoax plain and simple.
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Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by Whatifitdidhappen
Interesting and very astute but remember Leonardo Da'Vinci used deliberate flaw's in his designs so they could not be stolen such as the tank with the crank and axel the wrong way around, In Ethernet cable you are using very low energy's and the magnetic field's are exceptionally weak and only short, over any length of cable the process called inductive capacitance occurs were the charge in the conductor resist's further current flow which is exactly why you use AC in you main's, though negligible the impedence (z) caused by opposite direct current flow's in two side by side cable's does exist as the opposing electromagnetic field's cancel one another but only very slightly, and yes you can make a magnet out of most crystalline substance were the atoms can be arranged in a polarised order.
Originally posted by Kryscent
OP, i can see where you're coming from, and yea, you're right, with assuming that what this "Titor" said was right, at least in part.
Those that said that he didn't give anything specific (like a black president for the US) you're also right. he could have even given a time frame. "this event will happen around the year 20xx"
Someone said that it was funny how come he wasn't one of the 3 billion that were wiped out...I think he said he was from the US, though. that's what understood. don't quote me here.
as for the time traveling part... i don't believe in it because i don't see time as being linear, but rather spiraling, or going back and forth like a pendulum. no matter how the time flows, or doesn't flow, time travel can't be proven.
"Perhaps I should let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future. This time period is looked at as being full of lazy, self-centered, civically ignorant sheep. Perhaps you should be less concerned about me and more concerned about that."
Originally posted by charlyv
Let us not forget the conundrum in the theory that every person's life is a participant in the future, and what encompasses your reality is not necessarily a given fact that will hold true if you were indeed able to travel time.
The cone of divergence really means something here.
if we think we have any idea about the the way that alternate universes may exist, then this Titor story stands up to these ambiguities with logic that implies that there is no way to go in to the future, or back in time and not come back to the exact condition in the place you left. Mind boggling stuff.