Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes
Matthew chapter 24 verse 29 says Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun and moon be darkened ......
Matthew chapter 24 verse 30 says And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:.....
Matthew chapter 24 verse 31 And he shall send his angel with a great sound of a trumpet, and he shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other .
2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 tells us that we shall see the Antichrist sit in the Temple of God that will be built during troubled times .
The Gathering together some call Rapture will be after the Great Tribulation and the fall of the Antichrist and before the Wrath . Pre Tribulation Rapture is just not supported by the bible in any instance . To cling to that thought only serves the flesh .
The Rapture occurs in an instant, in "the twinkling of an eye" (1 Cor 15:52, but when He comes after the Great Tribulation, this will be at a specific place, Armageddon (Rev 16:16).
In 1 Thessalonians 4:16, He comes with a shout. In Revelation 19:11, He comes on a horse, with no shout.
In all of Revelation, which concerns His coming after the Great Tribulation to defeat the enemy, there is no discussion of a resurrection of believers, which IS clearly discussed in the passages about the Rapture. Clearly, these two events do not happen at the same time.
In Revelation 12, we are told that there will be a specific wait of 1,260 days, before He comes to defeat the enemy. Clearly, that will be a KNOWN time, and the Rapture, as described, will not occur at a known time. Also, the 42 month reign of the Antichrist will be known, so yet again, the Rapture cannot occur after that, at a known time.
The crowns which John sees on the heads of elders are given at the Rapture, so before the Tribulation. The armies clothed in white are believers, not angels. Revelation 19:8 makes it clear that such linen is the righteousness of saints. Again, they would have to have been called up already. You can't come out of Heaven without first going in.
Those gathered by the angels at the Second Coming are not resurrected, but alive. Believers that came to their faith after the Rapture. The elect at that time, and the wicked, will be gathered. Living people. Since the "dead in Christ shall rise" at the Rapture, clearly this is two different times.
In 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7, we are told the Antichrist will only be revealed once the one who restrains is taken out of the way. The Holy Spirit is clearly a restraining influence, and believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. So, they would have to be gone before that one could be revealed.
A Rapture after the Tribulation, at he end of the seven years, makes absolutely no sense. The Rapture occurs without warning, and the end of those seven years will be very easy to track.
In Matthew 24, we are told, a bit farther down:
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Clearly, from these passages, people are living their lives as they always have, and are not expecting His return. At the end of the seven tear Tribulation, anyone with any knowledge of the Bible would be expecting His return.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 talks of the Rapture of the Church. Revelation 19:14 speaks of His coming with armies which were in heaven, clothed in white cloth - believers. Clearly, they had to be taken up before that day.
edit on 14-3-2013 by LadyGreenEyes because: (no reason given)
I agree that no one is safe... I never understood why the Jews are Gods chosen people but they deny Jesus.
Originally posted by ConspiracyNutjob
Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
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Interesting thread. I don't have time, at the moment, to watch the whole video. Can you summarize for us? Is the 3/21 date based on the visit? Where is the evidence of the image being set up at that distance? I am NOT discounting the theory, and certainly would consider him a prime candidate; just looking for details, till I have a chance to view the video. I actually have some opinion on how soon things might get "interesting", too, and I really don't think it will be all that long. Can't say if weeks, months, or a few years, but I would be very surprised if it was more than a few. Too many signs to ignore these days.
The visit starting on the 20/3/2013 is actually based on a date that was found using a biblical interpretation of scripture. The video presentation was done in 2005, eight years before Obama decides to visit Israel on the exact date. The paralell's are ridiculous.
1. Obama knows exactly what he is doing and is simply an egomaniac
2. Scripture is truly being fulfilled
3. It is just pure coincidence.
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.