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Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by truejew
Wow I guess we all missed Christ coming back like in Matthew 24 verse 29 thru 31 . I should have been paying attention .
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by truejew
Daniel 9 verse 27 is all about the obliation to cease and Abomination that Maketh Desolate.That is directly associated with the Great Tribulation which also leads to the coming of Christ .Daniel 12 verse11 thru 13 is another explanation . Matthew 24 explaind further that the times in Daniel 9 verse 27 is the times of the Great Tribulation and return of Christ .
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by truejew
You may want to really read Daniel 9 verse 27 . The sacrifice shall be taken away because of the Abomination of Desolation .Jesus does not stop the sacrifice .
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by St Udio
...consider tht the Great Tribulation only begins immediately after the middle of the final (70th) week of Daniel
The 70th week of Daniel was fulfilled when Christ was crucified. It was finished in 29 AD.edit on 24-3-2013 by truejew because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by truejew
Daniel 9 verse 27 is all about the obliation to cease and Abomination that Maketh Desolate.That is directly associated with the Great Tribulation which also leads to the coming of Christ .Daniel 12 verse11 thru 13 is another explanation . Matthew 24 explaind further that the times in Daniel 9 verse 27 is the times of the Great Tribulation and return of Christ .
It is associated with what Christ did on the cross.
Christ is the one who puts an end to sacrifice and sin. The Antichrist does not save anyone as your doctrine claims.
Originally posted by ConspiracyNutjob
Originally posted by packinmomma
reply to post by ConspiracyNutjob
If someone rejects the Lord because He didn't arrive on their timing, that just reveals a lack of trust and faith. The same could be said about a believer who turns away from God because they thought he would/should save them their personal difficulty.
No matter what happens, true faith reveals itself and glorifies God by standing firm regardless of the earthly situation. As humans, we may feel disappointment and anguish. But it is through our darkest hours that we cling to Him and feel His presence and comfort, which strengthen us.
As an aside...
I am curious to know what you think about 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2. Specifically, the timing of the revealing of the man of lawlessness and who is holding this back currently. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 "And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."
Who do you think this is, as they would have to be powerful enough to hold back the man of lawlessness?
The restrainer is an angel, god does give his angels certain tasks. I don't know this with absolute certainty but we are given some clues in revelation. The beast ascends from out of the bottomless pit to which the angel is given the key (we know an angel is given the key earlier in revelation and allows the locusts to be released from the same pit).
We know that the beast represents the antichrist throughout the book of revelation. We also know that the Archangel Michael and his angels overcome Satan and his angels and throw them out of heaven.
Revelation 12:7-9
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
I think it is fair enough to assume that an angel is powerful enough to restrain the antichrist (beast) until the time of his release.
Originally posted by packinmomma
The 70th week is THE final week....
Originally posted by packinmomma
and we're all still here.... and no anti-christ has been revealed... Jesus hasn't returned yet.... and we certainly aren't in the middle of His 1,000 year reign. Just sayin'.
Originally posted by packinmomma
I haven't read any posts claiming that the anti-christ saves.
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by truejew
Matthew 24 will tell you what is to come . Jesus gave us this message about what was to come in the latter days . The Abomination that Maketh Desolate and his coming . That has not happened yet . We know that the Great tribulation has not happened because there has never been a One World Government , A one world money like unto the Mark of the Beast and the Temple has not been rebuilt or Jesus come back . So the 70th week has not happened yet .