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Forgotten texts tell story of "shape shifting" Jesus

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posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 07:20 PM
Long forgotten coptic texts tell story of a " shape shifting" Jesus, and how Pontius pilot offered his own son's life in place of Jesus's.

newly deciphered Egyptian text, dating back almost 1,200 years, tells part of the crucifixion story of Jesus with apocryphal plot twists, some of which have never been seen before.

Written in the Coptic language, the ancient text tells of Pontius Pilate, the judge who authorized Jesus' crucifixion, having dinner with Jesus before his crucifixion and offering to sacrifice his own son in the place of Jesus. It also explains why Judas used a kiss, specifically, to betray Jesus — because Jesus had the ability to change shape, according to the text — and it puts the day of the arrest of Jesus on Tuesday evening rather than Thursday evening, something that contravenes the Easter timeline.

The discovery of the text doesn't mean these events happened, but rather that some people living at the time appear to have believed in them, said Roelof van den Broek, of Utrecht University in the Netherlands, who published the translation in the book "Pseudo-Cyril of Jerusalem on the Life and the Passion of Christ"(Brill, 2013).

Copies of the text are found in two manuscripts, one in the Morgan Library and Museum in New York City and the other at the Museum of the University of Pennsylvania. Most of the translation comes from the New York text, because the relevant text in the Pennsylvania manuscript is mostly illegible. [Image Gallery: 2 Ancient Curses Deciphered ]

Pontius Pilate has dinner with Jesus

While apocryphal stories about Pilate are known from ancient times, van den Broek wrote in an email to LiveScience that he has never seen this one before, with Pilate offering to sacrifice his own son in the place of Jesus

Now I'm not starting any religious dogma debate, but certain aspects of the story give creadence to an idea that the accepted version of Jesus is actually a composite story of several people over a longer time span than the generally accepted story.
One part I.find interesting is that Jesus is attributed to several different physical descriptions, in this text.

Then the Jews said to Judas: How shall we arrest him [Jesus], for he does not have a single shape but his appearance changes. Sometimes he is ruddy, sometimes he is white, sometimes he is red, sometimes he is wheat coloured, sometimes he is pallid like ascetics, sometimes he is a youth, sometimes an old man ..." This leads Judas to suggest using a kiss as a means to identify him. If Judas had given the arresters a description of Jesus he could have changed shape. By kissing Jesus Judas tells the people exactly who he is. [

This passage stood out because there is a local myth about a bandit ,Joaquin Murrieta, that has striking similarities.
Joaqiun Murrieta was an early California bandit, who ranged throughout central California. One aspect of the Murrieta story is that he was in several places at one time, at one time he is robbing stages in fresno county at the same time he is rustling horses 200 miles away in san bernadino . It was later discovered that everyone in his gang went ny the name of Joaquin.
This was because the anglos couldn't tell the difference between the nahive or Hispanics and they all looked alike, which is a week documented psychological response to people of different ethnicities.

So if Christ was actually at the head of a political resistance to roman rule, in order to protect the source of the idea you have different people giving "sermons" under the name of Jesus, thusly protecting the origin of the idea.

That's all I've got , so please discuss

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posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 07:41 PM
Sorry but this was already posted, twice. Here's one of the two.

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posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 07:47 PM
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Right on ,
That's cool but its a completely different line of thought ad to the historical relevance

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 07:56 PM
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