Okay I am officially disturbed

I've heard of these films and read synopsis for them but I have no desire to watch that crap. There's a big difference between a good horror flick and something that is inhuman. No movie should make you feel like your losing faith in humanity, rather try to take what little good you can from it. At least you know that you are still a decent human being by the reaction you gave. Anyone who could sit and watch it with no reaction at all, they are sick, probably dangerous, but by feeling the way you do your humanity is confirmed.

really its just about where diferent people draw the line... alot of people would feel that way about movies that you have no issue with.

I've never heard of these movies. Where did you dig them up?
I used to watch spooky TV shows ...
Then one day I watched a few hours of Paranormal State on TV.
Had wicked bad dreams .. demons who literally froze my soul with fear ...

I don't watch that stuff anymore.
You don't know what you are letting in by watching them ....

The movie "The Exorcist" came out during my early teens. I remember hearing all the hype about how disturbing it was -- people fainting in the theater - people running out of the theater, etc. Of course I wasn't allowed to watch it then. I finally watched it when I was in my late 20's. I was really nervous, because I had it built up in my head to be something that might change me forever in some way It was a bit of a let-down, of course. It wasn't nearly as bad as I had built up in my head.

I wonder if The Serbian Film would be the same way? I don't think I'll test that theory. At least, not yet.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Paranormal State was good fiction,most of the show was staged or enhanced.

I think the Exorcist still holds up and I hope they never ever remake it. At the time it came out it was unlike anything else so I can certainly understand the visceral response that movie created in people.

I don't object to horror films unless they become "fetishistic", by which I mean that the camera starts to act like Jack the Ripper on Ecstacy, wallowing in gore for gore's sake.

I want a plot, a beginning middle and end that follow each other logically and plausibly. I want dialogue that that doesn't sound like it was written in the back seat of a car during a midnight joyride by a bunch of fratboys.

I want the movie to tell me something I don't already know.

The creepiest thing I have seen on film recently, and it made my flesh crawl with revulsion, was the shoot-em-up scene at the end of Zero Dark Thirty where Seal Team Six is going through the house shooting the family of some kids while all the while calming the children, telling them "It's OK."

That was just one of the brilliant touches in that creepy piece of propaganda drivel.

In this sort of film I much prefer the suggestion that revolts me, rather than the explicit anatomical explosion. I guess its the difference between art and science. Nowadays we err too much on the side of science, simply because we can do it technically.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I just read the IMDb for Serbain Film.

An aging porn star agrees to participate in an "art film" in order to make a clean break from the business, only to discover that he has been drafted into making a pedophilia and necrophilia themed snuff film.

Umm.. No Offense, but who would watch it in the first place? I mean, this isn't exactly the plot I'd grab off the shelf and eagerly head home to watch over a bucket of popcorn. It sounds....perverse and sick. Who makes these things?

I'm with you there.

I think hollywood horror films are sick enough, don't know how anyone gets kicks from watching # like that.

Now people are asking who watches that, why not ask ike the OP asked, who is making it and who is it for?

I think the feeling you are describing is exactly why I do not watch horror films at all.

Even when I was growing up my father would not let me watch horror movies because he said they were unrealistic and I would probably never meet a machete wielding maniac in a hockey mask.

He had no problem with me watching movies with skin and sex because that is something I would be seeing and participating in my whole life.

I personally just do not want those horrific images in my mind and I find myself easily disturbed by them. There are so many nice things to see in your mind.

reply to post by Ringadingasaur

A Serbian Film is A GOOD MOVIE

No it is not, it is an exploitation film thats artistic merit lies only in the eyes of the beholder.

And yes, in a way, you are being a wimp. Because you didn't know, apparently... that... this is very much how the real world is (in fact the real world gets sicker than that movie, duh... like you said... some movies pale in comparison to these movies.... well guess what.... these movies PALE in comparison to real life, my friend!)

Sure, that is why I said earlier in the thread that I would be more afraid watching CNN then I would be watching A Serbian film. I am well aware of the reality of the world.

To give, especially Americans, a glimpse at what the underground porn/trading business is like.

I did not need to see A Serbian Film to be able to understand the illegal sex trade, I could have read a book, or watched a documentary which would have been backed up by actual facts.

Besides this film according to the creators was a political message more so than it was a look inside the sex trade, it was post-modernist nonsense. I will again reiterate what I said is a previous post. If they wanted to make a film about genocide, then why did they not just make a film about genocide.

What they did is the equivalent of me making a film based in Germany about a man who goes around rounding up puppies and kittens and than mutilating them. And then saying that it is all a reflection of the Holocaust.

I'm not saying movies should all be literal and should not have abstract ideas, but I am saying A Serbian Film is not a good example of how complex ideas can be effectively conveyed through a film medium.

reply to post by SlackOps

Horror flicks that stretch the limits of being able to suspend disbelief are a lot of fun, but not really horrifying. If it doesn't seem real, it's too easy.

Interesting. I agree with you to an extent, but I disagree that it is easy. Lovecraft said that the strongest emotion humans have is fear, and to a greater extent the fear of the unknown. Lovecraft was one of the greatest horror writers ever and he did not have to write about children being raped to convey a sense of unease and fear.

I believe that reality is horrifying as well and artists should be able to demonstrate real life horrors to demonstrate the frailty of the human condition, but I do not think A Serbian Film demonstrated it, at least no more so than any other gore fest rape fantasy that has been concocted by some director who thinks he is Gods gift to cinema.

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I cannot fathom how anyone could watch that movie knowing what was going to be in it...that movie goes beyond horror. I have seen the Daniel Pearl video and to this day, thinking of it still bothers me. I read the reviews of this movie and one commenter discussed a few parts of the movie...with that said there is no way in hell I could ever watch that movie..I'm sure the images keep popping in your head...my suggestion 24 hrs spongebob squarepants-uninterupted.

The only one of these I've seen is A Serbian film and yes it is utterly disgusting but its also incredibly silly, its basically a marathon of trying to out gross the last bit of sickness but in its attempt to do this it simply becomes stupid.

One part in question involves an erect penis and an eye socket, work the rest out.

Its truly a foul film that deserved to be avoided but I'm one of those sorts who hears something is xyz and I have to see it myself to decide if I think its that. There is of course stuff I'd never watch purely because its real and or beyond depravity.

Do yourselves a favour and ignore this pile of poo...

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Well Openeye your not alone. As the movies in your first paragraph are a lot of my favorite horror films as well. Puppet Master is up there too, well atleast the first 3 are lol~ Now onto what you stated about these sadistic movies...

Hills Have Eyes/Saw(all of them)/Tourist (tourista w/e however you say it)/ Any movie that is based soly on murder and killing as the list is seriously getting longer ever year.

They disgust me, they don't even qualify as horror movies IMO. There is a big difference between Horror and just Sadistic, and I remember walking out on Saw 2 because of the way it made me feel. I have friends that love that movie, and though it has good scene's it made me feel icky.

Big difference between a Michal Myers killing people and a Sadistic Certifiable Loony case who is harvesting body parts IMO.

I'll take a Freddie Kruger even the Ring or whatever new type of Horror/Psychological/Thriller anyday but when you put filth like what you stated on the screen, I"ve learned to quickly turn it off because it takes me to a bad place and I get very upset and it feels like I'm being raped spiritually.

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Puppet master haven't seen that movie in so long.

I'm actually quite fond of the movie Saw, I do not think it is nearly as gore hungry and depraved as some of these other movies (like The Hills Have Eyes, another movie which I abhor). I did not like the sequels though, they just devolved into gore shock.

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And yet ur avatar is norman bates. how odd..

I thought the original Saw was pretty amazing to be honest..For the masses it was new and that closing sequence with the Hello Zepp song was so well done. The following films were just more of the same. I think you can apply the same thing to the original Paranormal Activity. I thought that was an interesting concept for a film and something I really enjoyed, everything after it though just the first film with a higher budget.

Personally i found films with real elements to be a lot more disturbing then fantastical ideas or themes. Though I actually thought Martyrs was pretty damn disturbing.

For that reason I found Megan is Missing(the end sequence , holy hell this would suck if you arewere a parent), Red, White and Blue and Irreversible to be pretty disturbing recent films.

Originally posted by sdocpublishing
I think the feeling you are describing is exactly why I do not watch horror films at all.

Even when I was growing up my father would not let me watch horror movies because he said they were unrealistic and I would probably never meet a machete wielding maniac in a hockey mask.

He had no problem with me watching movies with skin and sex because that is something I would be seeing and participating in my whole life.

I personally just do not want those horrific images in my mind and I find myself easily disturbed by them. There are so many nice things to see in your mind.

Did you ever watch Harry potter or lord of the. Rings?
You'll never meet a giant or a hobbit but I guarantee you've at least seen parts and probably enjoyed something in it.

It's all fantasy and nothing more, just a world where you can suspend disbelief and go on a ride.

Some people actually enjoy the feel of fear in a controlled environment, that is what it's all about, an experiance.

You're missing out, do you stay away from roller coasters? Because that is a simulated experiance much like horror/all movies.

Originally posted by Openeye
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Puppet master haven't seen that movie in so long.

I'm actually quite fond of the movie Saw, I do not think it is nearly as gore hungry and depraved as some of these other movies (like The Hills Have Eyes, another movie which I abhor). I did not like the sequels though, they just devolved into gore shock.

Only if you focus on the gore rather than the story.
Did you know one of the reasons Dr. Lynn Denlon from saw 3 was chosen partly because she operated on Jill tuck ( saw 4) after Cecil crushed her and baby, and wasn't able to save the baby.
S many hidden parts of the story in the movies if you look hard enough, that's the point of SAW to piece it all together yourself, which is why 7 was such a joke. They never should have wrapped it up and left us guessing/putting our own pieces in place.

Now someone tell me(massive saw fan before7) that I'm a messed up gore hound.

Saw 3 and 4 alone are pretty bad movies, but together they make one great movie.

Although not viewing any of the more recent movies being posted, I found aspects and parts of Jacob's Ladder extremely disturbing. To the point that I had some trouble sleeping for a few nights.

With that in mind, I believe that the boundaries of what is being called "entertainment" is getting pushed further and further back as we (the viewer) get more acclimated to death, mutilations, mental illness etc. The line gets more hazy and blurry each year as Producers/Writers attempt to shock and titillate our senses.

It will be interesting to see if they also change the current "Ratings" of such entertainment as it continues to evolve.

The ironic thing is that I've actually seen Serbian films, being a military linguist for ten years, and usually they bore you do death, not gross you out.