U.S. to let spy agencies scour Americans' finances

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


As usual, the Richistanis running the government will be exempted from the scrutiny and this will only affect the common hard working American.

America the land of opportunity and the American dream only if you are a Richistani within the corporate dictatorship.

this could go so much farther than $10,000 transactions. in this day and age even using cash seems to be viewed as "suspicious activity", after all why use cash when debit or credit card is so much easier? just think as cash withdrawals or deposits being spotlighted as possible indicators of crime. you might be up to something and require some attention to see what. you could be buying or selling drugs, illegal guns/ammo or participating in some other crime, maybe even giving that cash to a "terrorist organization". i remember not too awful long ago something about some areas wanting an ID card to be recorded for "cash transactions". add this into the mix and you could even see the OTHER end of things, like you only withdrew say $500, yet in the same time period you spent $1,000, which would tell a suspicious system that you were getting "illegal money" somehow, in other words you are committing SOME sort of CRIME and need to be investigated. or if you withdrew $1,000, but only "spent" $500, you are paying some sort of criminal enterprise for something.

lets be honest do you really believe if handed this type of power that they will ONLY get the records of people they suspect of something? or would they just take it all in case at some point there might be something they missed and they could go through the records to check it out? or if they can't "prove" anything finding any little discrepancy to show probabilities? how many criminals (and innocents) are put away just due to " circumstantial evidence"? it isn't all that hard to figure it out what they would do.

businesses already do this type of thing with employees. i once in a position to see this happen, a head office guy wanted to run the location i worked in as well as getting rid of the current boss. so he came in one saturday (when he KNEW the boss was off) and took all the files that the currant boss's information would be in and left with them. the following monday they got rid of the old boss because of a discrepancy they were able to find within those files. basically they dug up dirt on him through going through them with a fine toothed comb. ONE time he had payed for work done THE NEXT DAY. we were told about why they got rid of him, and sadly I KNEW the circumstances of it. it was an accident, we had policies about not being allowed to pay for stuff except on lunch break or before/after work, after the work had been done the boss had a family emergency, in a panic he pretty much ran out pausing only long enough to say he had an emergency and was on the way to the hospital. the FIRST THING next morning HE CAME to me BEFORE he was officially on and told me what had happened and that he needed me to cash him out. so due to that one instance of panic induced forgetfulness and rushing he was gotten rid of. he had paid in full without any prompting (showing honesty and integrity) yet when they wanted to nail his hide to the wall they dug through the records to find it, and used it to point to "honesty and integrity issues". just because the work was payed for a day late he lost his job and likely had problems finding a replacement due to the circumstances of being dismissed.

reply to post by olaru12


I do not know if I am considered a die hard conservative but during Bush 41 I was protesting his abuse of power in reaffirming the 1994 assault weapons ban. I voted against his reelection not giving one crap about his successor being a globalist shill that would work against our rights. They were and are on the same corrupt team.

This is news to me. They don't have the authority to look though those things yet? So when I take that gift card to buy the rated NC17 movie then go to McDs and buy a combo with same card, and the regional federal level, because he's crossing state borders, secret/plainclothes police officer/agent comes by, tacky casino martini hawaiian shirt and all, does a little masonic motion with his right hand over his left wrist (symbol:handcuff) in front of the restaurant camera as soon as he steps in the building, and sees who just purchased that burger... that's not totally legal for him yet?

Maybe gift cards don't count as part of this new government scheme to read bank statements. And I thought they had too much power already. I can't buy a burger with a card without them looking at the entire purchasing history of the card, getting all suspicious because they realize I didn't pay my church tithe with that thing. Ah Bible Belt politics, rock music plus condom purchase equals terrorist.

I thought they already had the authority to look into bank records, with a warrant. Ah, more unwanted guests into personal data. I'm worried it will get very totalitarian at this rate, imagine this: that they see you have debt that is overdue, but you managed to buy a candy bar - don't you think your candy bar money could pay off the debt? Then you get arrested for illegal candy bar purchasing. Maybe in New York you get arrested if you buy two candy bars per store visit.

More access points means more opportunity for social engineering fraudsters. Anybody else feel a little more naked? Where is the confidentiality? Like the government regards the population a video game?

reply to post by daryllyn


I read you loud and clear. Sad state of affairs. Collectivism is what is damning this Nation as well as others around the globe. It's the objective. We are damned if we do and and even more damned if we don't.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Your comment about the CIA..., that was changed in early 2009 by executive order. Additionally the FBI is one of the intelligence agencies under ODNI due to running our nations counterintelligence program starting in late 09/early 2010. The FBI looking at financial records for an investigation is no different than DOD assets (thats half of our "spy" agencies) and the CIA or otherwise, in principle

reply to post by bonecrusher321


I've seen where you've posted this on a couple threads in quick succession....can you please link that executive order? I'm not familiar with it for allowing the CIA to pursue aggressive domestic operations ..but it won't surprise me to see, either.

Thanks in advance for the specific text you're referring to.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


The order I'm providing originally authorized such actions in 1981. It was 08 (not 09) that bush made an amendment to give DHS more specified authority. I was thinking 09 because at the time it was not a public EO and it was circulated to me in early April.

To clarify some language: counterintelligence activities is not restricted to the word "foreign", it also includes "domestic." "Internal security functions" is not defined the same as law enforcement.

Ref Part 1, para 1.8 (c)

www.archives.gov...

reply to post by olaru12


Yea go ahead and start slinging blame at your fellow Americans. I'm sure that will go a long way to get people to work together to try to get positive changes. That's the problem with this country, too many finger pointers and not enough solutions.