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Vision Following Event 5:38 AM Eastern

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posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 12:33 PM

Originally posted by RomaSempre
reply to post by straddlebug

Interesting thread and thanks for posting. I'm not here to debate the authenticity of your dream but one thing comes to mind. What if 5:38 does not really represent a time? What if it's something like a bible verse?

Interesting. Do you have a verse in mind?

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 12:52 PM
reply to post by straddlebug

No, I don't have a particular verse in mind...but it was really the first thing that came to mind when I read your post.

Edit: After a quick Google search Matthew 5:38 talks about "Love without limits". Is that something that fits your dream?
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posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 01:04 PM
reply to post by straddlebug

i once encountered a Lucid Dream/' Vision.... in that same white light room or dome...

it turns out a few years later the vision sequence finally made sense...

the large white room i found myself in turned out to be the interior of my skull...hence the smooth white dome with ambuient light from no single source, no echos or footsteps were heard...
the lizard skin man i fought for hours with turned out to be symbolic of an aneurism on my brain

the vision/lucid dream/ journey to underworld was meant as a warning that an unfamiliar intruder was deep in my psyche or brain and ultra-sound was one effective way to neutralize the foreigner in my skull

i keep getting the same type of feeling with your interface with the deep subconscious
you might have check-ups as a potential 'stroke' candidate, those MRIs & CAT scans are expensive but can see hidden, future dangers
wish you well


this is a side issue which may be interesting.... the numbers 5,3.8 your time sequence
were the same numbers i used for a really whacky bet on the ponies for me...

in 1997 before i had my brain hemhorrage i put a $10 straight Trifecta bet at the opening day races at the Phoenix AZ Turf Paradise horse track....

the race was supposed to be a live simucast from california... my straight trifecta ticket was for 3-5-8 to Win, Place, Show...all three horses were 15-1 or more... the Quinella alone was worth $2000.00...let alone a winning payout on a single trifecta (i'd guess $80+ grand)

the race ran & the unofficial result was 3-5-8
but immediately a protest was filed by the jockey on #7,,, the horse had a record to protect of Always in the money..

after some 10 angles and a dozen replays... the officials called the race 3-5-7-8... the #8 got bounced for 'impedeing' #7 some 300 yards distant, going into the final turn....'

i keep trying the combo 3-5-8 to see if i can ever recoup the winnings i never realized on that day at the track

needless to say i left the track soon after... as my $40. betting limit was met in just 4 races
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posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 02:54 PM
A singularity terminal is coming to your local supermarket...maybe(...not...necessary).

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 02:56 PM
I had some alien intervention event kind of dreams after the mega tsunami dreams that i had last year.

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 03:30 PM
Luke 5:38 -- But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved.

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 03:45 PM
reply to post by sheba2011

Your selection Luke 5:38 almost fit.

I liked this version of Acts 5:38

“And I say to you, separate yourselves from these men and leave them, for if this counsel and work is from men, they will dissolve and pass away.”

and to me, Matthew 5:38 did not fit.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth."

I have not found any other 5:38 verses.

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 04:09 PM

Originally posted by sheba2011
Luke 5:38 -- But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved.

That scripture is in reference to religions.

The new wine was the religion of Jesus Christ. But the Jews, old in their traditions in their ways, could not handle the new wine; for one, once the new wine had time to settle, it would burst forth from them, and they would perish trying to contain the new wine. But also because they would like the taste of their old religion better than the new religion, because they had developed a taste for the old ways of sacrifice and works -- because in this way, man believed that he could save himself instead of realizing that his salvation was completely reliant upon God.

As well, He had previously said that He could not mend them and their old garments with His new garment because it would put a hole in His new garment, causing it to not be whole, and the patch created from His new garment would not agree with their old garments, and it would not be attractive or acceptable.

They didn't like the fact that He was forgiving sins - for that was the power of God, and men, in their mind, could not be allowed that power; and He was a man.


Although this is important for people to understand, the relation of this message to the message of the vision being discussed seems to not be entirely congruent.

But a little; in a few ways, there is a correlation. Because the once dead, and the once aged (or lacking age), had been made fresh; and they must be, because that is the manifestation of the Spirit of God within them. So then their skins were made new because of the Spirit.

But for this dream, time does not end, but days end. This is directly personal to the dreamer. The vision is a perception of the dreamer when he is waken from his slumber; but the point of the dream relates to the dreamer's slumber, or death. For those of us that are in Christ, there are no more days anyway. For He is manifest in us. It is as if the thing has been completed for us already. But it is for those that are asleep, and that are not alive, and resting in Christ, that still have numbered days; for their time can indeed run out. But ours cannot, for time's hold on us is superficial now; it is only a matter of time for us. We simply hold fast to that which we have until He manifests all things that He said that He would complete.

So again, this dream is personal to the dreamer more than it is a definition of the long term world in general. The family of the dreamer, the mother and sister of the dreamer, the time perceived by the dreamer; the dreamer's wife, the family's understanding "I know" and the wife's misunderstanding, "I don't know"; the dreamer's confusion, "Why is everyone up so early?" -- and then there are strangers, those that the dreamer does not recognize, and yet these strangers are in this room. And the room is filled up, but he doesn't know these people. This is a direct perception and correlation to the dreamer. This is not a vision directly pertaining to things to be fulfilled; but rather a dream depicting the perception of the dreamer as to the time lapse between the dreamer's slumber and his awakening, and his perception of events throughout the process.

The time relates specifically to the dreamer -- not the world -- the time is specifically in Eastern time, and is AM, ante-meridian; or as it might otherwise be stated, "before the time of fulfillment".

Notice what Meridian means symbolically at the link.

So again, this is pertaining specifically to the dreamer, and is a time before the fulfillment.

I think that 5:38 refers to the time at which the dreamer is born again. He will be waked from his slumber and brought to life. Some of his family is already brought to life, spiritually (even those that are currently dead in Christ). But some of his family is not yet brought to life spiritually. But there are many strangers that are brought to life, and so they are in the same "house" as the dreamer. This is a spiritual waiting place; which all who are in Christ, we are indeed saved already, but we wait here, in His peace, until the appointed time.

The rest of the world is dead. Whether they be alive, they are dead still. And there will be a time soon when the Lord says, "And let him who is clean be clean; and let him who is filthy be filthy." And at that point, all those who have held onto Him are sealed unto Him. And all those that had not held onto Him will not be allowed at any time again.

So then it is possible that 5:38 might also pertain to the Sealing of His children. There are some who sleep, and yet are reserved unto God, and may be awakened upon the Sealing. His righteousness is just, and far exceeds our understanding or judgment.

But this vision is not for discerning the state of events in the current world.

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 04:15 PM
reply to post by straddlebug


Remember the PM exchange we conducted as a result of your previous thread? For these are connected.

You are describing in this post 5:38 event vision the exact part of God's plan described in Rev 20:11-15 regarding the Great White Thrown Judgement phase of God's perfect plan for the salvation of all mankind that has ever lived and died in this age.

"11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and the grave delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and the grave were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

These verses occur after the 1000 years of the Kingdom of God on earth have finished. And you are correct, the nature of reality will be different then, as you hinted at with your vision. No reproduction will occur in mankind during that phase, all who have been born have been born. So no marriges, or sexual relationships used in this phase will exist, that is why your sister and her boyfriend were no longer a couple. This is the phase when the lion will lay down with the lamb, God will alter the nature of his creation to accomplish His work in the most important phase in God's plan for the recreation of Himself through physical mankind, the Great White Thrown. Mankind will not even face accidental death, unless it is as a result of being Judged as refusing to change.

This phase of God's plan is outlined in the High Holy Annual Sabbath known as the "Last Great Day" which is the final High Holy Day of the 7 set aside forever as Holy, detailing God's plan and purpose for the creation of physical mankind.

As we discused in our PM dialog, your 5:38 event is the sounding of the 7th trumpet and the resurrection of the 144,000 members of the Kingdom of God at the return of Jesus Christ (traditional christianity uses these verses to justify the false doctrine of the "rapture") in mid May of this year (Pentecost). For all those who refuse to come to embrace the establishment of the 7th day Sabbath, by the time Jesus Christ returns, will die their first death by that day. Without the Sabbath none can enter the 1000 years; for they are the EXACT same thing spiritually.

At that point the mind of the individual goes blank, the dead do not think, they have no life in them (think coma), time does not exist, the next concious moment is the resurrection of the dead in the Great White Thrown Judgment phase in God's perfect plan, for the individual it would feel like it was the next moment after, but really it is 1000 years later for those who die this year, and up to 7000 years later for those in Adam's day. To the one who does not repent during this Day of the Lord and fails to live on into the millenial reign of the Elohim of God, they will be dead for 1000 years and be resurrected to a second physical life in the Great White Thrown (Last Great Day).

All will be created fully healthy and vibrant for their second physical life, if you died of old age (grandma) you are resurrected as a young healthy 20 year old, if you died as a baby, or as a fetus; you are resurrected as a healthy child; this is why your family appeared to you as they did. This is why everything appeared "white" and many "knew" where they were and what happened.

That Great White Thrown Judgement phase of God's plan is the time in which He will call all who have ever lived and died into a personal relationship with God the Father and the Family (Elohim) of God. That is and always was the time frame when He will save mankind and transform our thinking into unity with His ways in perfection.

Your two visions are etraordinarily beautiful when added to the perfect plan of God and where we are in time and they are 100% connected from one moment (May 19th of this year), to the next (1000 years later).

God Bless,
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posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 04:32 PM
reply to post by ElohimJD

Jesus Christ IS the Sabbath.

And He is the Lord of It. And our rest is in Him.

And if the Lord had spoken of a rest, would He not have given it to us?

I had to learn the law through the Sabbath before. But Jesus constantly reminded me that HE was our rest. He proved this to us by keeping us FROM rest specifically on the jewish weekly Sabbath.

The 10 Commandments are part of the Old Law. But Jesus did say He gave us commandments extremely similar to the old law.

But the 10 Commandments are indeed preserved in the Lord, because they are His. But He fulfilled the Sabbath, and He IS the Sabbath. But if you put people back under the old law, I promise you that you put them into Hell.

The amount of Hell I suffered because I sought God so much, and yet He sought ME so much; and so I was striving against Him because I was constantly trying to keep a law that was not reserved for me...

Let me ask you -- are you suffering? Because if you are not, then I think that He has not reserved you. If He is not worried about you putting yourself back under the law, then you really need to get back to Him -- and you need to find out why.

But the testimony of Jesus Christ is INDEED the Spirit of Prophecy -- and indeed, we DO keep the commandments of God. But do you not remember how the disciples and the apostles knew better than to put upon the gentiles "no other burden" than the few rules they gave them? No fornication, no eating blood, no eating meat of strangled animals, and no eating food that had been sacrificed to idols.

THAT'S IT -- Other than the Two Laws Jesus Christ gave us, that now SUM UP the original TEN:

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind, and all your soul. And the second is JUST LIKE IT-- Love your neighbor as you love yourself. And then He proceeds to remind us that helping the widow, the orphan, the weak, and the helpless, is the same thing as loving God.

You are being rebuked for spreading a false gospel. And yet it is not completely your fault. I once fell for the trap... I did. And I was allowed to go through it on purpose -- it was NECESSARY for me to go through.

But I will not allow it to be taught as if it is Truth either; because it most certainly is not.

Go back to Jesus Christ and ask Him to release you from the law you have put yourself under. For Satan has bound you up.

And then watch as you have a hard time relinquishing the law; the same way that the Jews had a hard time with it; and Jesus did not expect them to keep His Wine because their skins were old with their traditions and foolishness.

His garment is NEW. It is NOTHING like the former. And once again, you cannot take His New Garment and patch the old -- it puts a hole into His garment and the patch disagrees with the old garment!

And the discussion of this thread went into the proper direction to protect the OP from the false teachings; for it was prepared before hand so that when this manifest, it could be shown, because of the love of God, and His Word, to be false.

But all the same, please do not feel ashamed. I was once there, I know it and remember it, and am still healing from it. But at the same time, do not cause that others would have to suffer the stumbling block. Change your mind and go back to Him so that you can be made to see. If you belong to Him, He will surely help you see.

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 05:13 PM
The Book of Ezra is devoted to events occurring in the land of Israel at the time of the return from the Babylonian captivity and subsequent years, covering a period of approximately one century, beginning in 538 B.C.

The emphasis in Ezra is on the rebuilding of the Temple.

The book contains extensive genealogical records, principally for the purpose of establishing the claims to the priesthood on the part of the descendants of Aaron.

Interesting considering the pope prophecies and rebuilding of a temple. Not sure if or how it fits with your event but thought I'd throw it in :-)

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 05:18 PM
reply to post by Whatsitallabout

I like the reference due to: The emphasis in Ezra is on the rebuilding of the Temple.

Thank you.

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Whatsitallabout
The Book of Ezra is devoted to events occurring in the land of Israel at the time of the return from the Babylonian captivity and subsequent years, covering a period of approximately one century, beginning in 538 B.C.

The emphasis in Ezra is on the rebuilding of the Temple.

The book contains extensive genealogical records, principally for the purpose of establishing the claims to the priesthood on the part of the descendants of Aaron.

Interesting considering the pope prophecies and rebuilding of a temple. Not sure if or how it fits with your event but thought I'd throw it in :-)

The temple is the body. Jesus Christ already told us that. The Vatican has little to do with anything Christ related; except for maybe some fulfillment of prophecy - but not in the positive by any means.

The destruction of the second temple was just further proof that the Jews were done; complete, no longer. When the gentiles were grafted in, a completely new tree, a brand new body, was being formed.

Judaism, neither the "Universal" church, have nothing to do, in the positive, with Christ any longer. But the Kingdom of God is made manifest through those who are scattered throughout the earth now; the power of the Kingdom has been scattered, as it was prophesied in Daniel. It is almost complete, but there is still some time yet.

But His children no longer are under one physical banner. There is no denomination right now that encompasses followers of Christ. Seventh-day adventists and remnant included-- ones who pride themselves in the research gone into prophecy, but failed to have the wisdom to search to find out if the seventh-day upon which they rest is the same seventh day as at the beginning (which it is not. The calendar changes made this unlikely for laymen to follow Christ -- and yet, Christ came to save sinners, and the laymen -- not necessarily the well-educated, neither the "righteous" in their own eyes-- not to mention that the Jews, while in captivity at Babylon, had taken on many traditions from the Babylonians, including their times and their decrees, upon which we should not be relying--- so you see, if you keep the same sabbath that the Jews today keep, you are keeping to traditions which are skewed, and are from Babylon. How ironic that the Seventh-day Adventists, and the Seventh-day Remnant, claim to fight Babylon, and yet still take on some of its practices).

So while 538 BC seems like a nice fit to a time as far as the events of the destruction of Jerusalem and the captivity of Judea, it's not a precise time, and it should not be considered as one. It's an estimate. So we cannot rely on estimates for precision, which I think is obvious. But rather we pay attention to God, the one to whom all knowledge and wisdom are ascribed, and from whom they are prescribed - in the form of Jesus Christ our Lord, who is our Sabbath -- not a day in the week, which is NOT our Lord. Should we worship a day? Jesus didn't think so. For every time there was a stumbling block cast by the Pharisees, Jesus made it clear that He could justify any of His servants attitudes and actions -- no matter what accusation the Pharisees made, Jesus justified His servants. And that is who we focus on; Jesus Christ. Not any of our practices, neither our traditions, neither our stumbling blocks, neither our ways -- but only His. And He gave us freedom that we might be able to do His work at any time which it was to be done.

And this goes for the "Sunday is the Lord's day" rhetoric.

People just can't resist casting stumbling blocks before others, and hanging them with it.

But God has called us out. And why does the Lord need to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in the last days? Because the CHURCHES ARE NOT GETTING IT RIGHT!

So then God's church is being called out from ALL people. And still yet, and sadly, many will be called; but few will be chosen.

How many of you will be willing to hear God, and to receive His instruction from your dreams? Remember how Job said, that God gives us instruction while we sleep in visions? And then he opens up our ears and seals the instruction - because of our dreams, we pay attention to more things and we take in more and realize more.

So we may not be perfect in interpreting our dreams at first; and what good would it be if we were perfect interpreting our dreams? Would we seek the counsel of the like-minded and the other elect if we knew all that was shown to ourselves? But God wants us to seek each other out, and to strengthen each other in these times.

So He is calling us together with His Spirit. And we are coming together. And we are learning, and growing. And we will accept His mercy.

And in the meantime, we will do our best to hear His instructions for us, and to connect with others who are receiving the instruction, the inspiration, and the gifts.

Just like the OP, the dreamer here.

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 06:52 PM
reply to post by TarzanBeta

Your post was a specific answer to prayer.
Thank you for heeding the encouragement of the Spirit to share it.

I have wrestled with the SDA notion of the "sign of the sabbath" before and went through much angst & vascillating condemnation & doubt.
Over the last few days, I've felt that old doubt & panic creeping in.

Read a handful of my posts in a few of the threads I'm currently participating in to get an idea of my spiritual commitment to God.

I even considered starting a debate thread on the whole SDA doctrine of Sabbath keeping for those interested in presenting their cases, for or against.
I would certainly appreciate hearing more of your experience on the matter.

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 06:58 PM

Originally posted by stupid girl
reply to post by TarzanBeta

I even considered starting a debate thread on the whole SDA doctrine of Sabbath keeping for those interested in presenting their cases, for or against.

If you do start such a thread, would you please give me a heads up so I can join the discussion. I have no knowledge of the SDA or their doctrines..

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 07:37 PM
reply to post by stupid girl

Indeed. If you start a thread, let me know.

People need to be saved from it. It's ... A HORRIBLE experience.

It's so horrible that it makes me think that those who do not suffer greatly for trying to adhere to it are people that are profiting from it -- and not in the good way.

It is an incredibly long story. But the short form is that I tried to get us to adhere to it. And the Lord literally LET ME for a reason -- there was a lot to learn from it, and a lot of humility to learn from it; and also a part of the lesson was "You can DO NOTHING to earn Heaven -- I chose you because I did, and that's that. My choice trumps your works."

My family suffered so much that we had nothing but flour and sugar. Literally. For an entire year, flour and sugar only. That was for us and the kids.

And I find nothing wrong with that, actually. We learned a great deal, and grew very strong because of it. But we also learned that every time we tried to keep the Sabbath, we were attacked. The kids threw bigger fits. The adults went crazy around us. Hell ENTERED in. Not that we were simply tempted-- but literally, there was no such thing as rest on the Sabbath.

This was simply not allowed for us.

I can't ask you to trust me when I say, I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that I am chosen in Christ. That's between you and Him, because He is my witness, and you are not, obviously. So pray to Him and ask, and I will pray that He gives you an understanding of it so that you do not have to go through it, but instead, you can learn from it.

But I am chosen.

And because I am chosen in Christ, I was NOT allowed to thrive in any way, shape, or form, for putting myself under a law that had been long ago ratified by the Lord Jesus Christ.

I was allowed to live, and to learn its lessons.

But everyone doesn't have to go through that; and a lot of what we went through was for the purpose of calling out some of His elect FROM those institutions that are still casting stumbling blocks before men, and causing us to fear, and to turn away (in ignorance, of course, but it's still turning away, is it not?)

I belong to no denomination; except that the word denomination means "out of, by a given name" -- and the name I am called by is Jesus Christ.

not me, but the Spirit within me. I am low, humble, worthless, by no means worthy of any thing at all, and would gladly pass it up to others more deserving, if there were such a thing -- but he preaches that no one is deserving, and so then I am even more humbled.

But that is not between you and me; that is between me and Him.

Research it all you want. That's fine. But please do not allow fear, and false convictions to take you over. There is NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO BE SAVED.

How can you possibly imagine to build yourself a ladder to Heaven? Where is it? Point me in the right direction so that I may go!!...

But you can't.

Men cannot get to Heaven. That's just a fact.

Your works mean nothing because they are of yourself.

But the works of the Lord are proof that He is in us.

That is what is meant when He says, "Faith without works is dead". Because there is no such thing as faith unless the works of the Lord exist. It is NOT OUR WORKS that prove faith. Ever.

Nothing that I can say can convince YOU or GOD that I am saved. Ever. Neither can they convince you of what is right or wrong.

But the Spirit of God that works within you convinces you and shows you and opens your ears and your eyes; and allows you to taste and to be filled; and to discern what is sweet, and yet what is bitter in your belly - or what is bitter in your mouth - and also that which makes you fat, or even poisoned.

The Spirit is given to us to discern and to show.

Remember, Jesus Christ said to the disciples and to the apostles, "I will make you fishers of men."

Did Jesus ever brow beat concerning ANY law at all?

If we are to bring the elect to their understanding, how can we continue to cast the stumbling blocks?

Now, when we fortify ourselves, and we are come together, we keep out that which is vile, and we will know it by its taste (spiritually).

We obey the Lord because we love Him and we love Him because He served us. There doesn't need to be a law there. That's stupid.

The law condemns, whereas freedom liberates.

I love my mom and dad because I want to; not because any silly law says so. And that's how God sees Law -- as silly.

But it's the CHARACTER of the Law that the Lord wants people to pay attention to. Love because you want to - not because you have to be TOLD.

And He also says, "take my yoke upon you; it is an EASY burden".

Do you think that He would say it is easy when it is not easy?

The reason why is because HE IS THE YOKE. THE REST; the Sabbath; the rest from OUR OWN WORKS; for we cannot save ourselves. Work of men is pointless to God.

posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 10:04 PM
There are certainly many ways to look at a vision like this, and I will meekly put in my two cents to see if anything fits for you.

You are the Dreamer or the one the Vision was intended for, so I'm guessing you will have the keys inside you regarding its interpretation. Think of it as a code of sorts?

White Light - there are many associations for this. You seemed to be in a "place" but it was also white light and it was "timeless or without time," according to what you said. This can mean a few different things, but once again - you are the one it must resonate with. Here are a few ideas: spiritual consciousness, enlightenment, shifting into a radically new and enlightened state of being, white light can mean "God's Love" and the 'afterlife.' It may indicate transitions, "all things made new," purity. There were family members and strangers with you and your Grandmother was 'somewhere else' but not really separate, as you knew she'd be with you later. "Timeless" and "white light" and "relatives both dead and alive" seem to indicate a death experience, but it may not be literal. It can be an achievement for humankind, for example, where we discover some new technology that is good and takes us outside our normal states of being in space/time - that is a real stretch, perhaps, but I'm throwing it in to widen the field...

The 5:38 AM time was so strong that it may have a specific meaning, as you are exploring, other than "time stopping." It could be a date (5/3/18 - if future) Also, you might check your personal history to see if 5/3/08 had anything of significance happen, for reference. Other's have explored book verses with you. I'm thinking to keep an eye out for this number and see if it starts popping up for you in other ways (i.e. you purchase something that happens to come out to $5.38, etc.) 5 - 3 - 8 = 88 (5+3 & 8) and 8+8 = 16, 1+6 = 7. These may also be significant numbers, idk... This is a weird one, but Nate Silver's blog is title 538. 538 is the number of electors in the US electoral college, which is why N. Silver named his blog that... He's the one who got every thing right in his predictions of the last Presidential election. So, if it is a "worldly" vision, and not a solely personal one, it may relate to the United States and possibly something to do with the electoral process? Not to make this political, because I frankly have a difficult time seeing "white light" and "political" in the same sentence!! LOL!

With dreams and visions, it is so important to recognize how sometimes things can be very oddly literal wrapped in a crazy amount of symbolic language. The brain takes "props" like a clock and a number, white light, family and associations, etc. because they have certain meanings and tries to get the rest of the brain to understand via these props. For example, when I dreamed I was climbing a cliff face, got to a ledge and was bitten by a king cobra right by my collar bone, fell to the earth, and only had 15 minutes to live if I didn't get medicine, but against all odds I managed to stay alive longer. Well, a few months later I was diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease (cancer) and a very large swollen lymph node appeared in the exact spot of the cobra's bite. It was discovered in time for me to recover with chemotherapy - a type of poison. The cliff represented the constant struggle of my busy life, and falling was the period of my illness - a time where I became removed from striving for achievement. Very personal and very symbolic stuff! The snake, incidentally, (or two snakes with their tails twined) is on the medical "doctor" symbol? Snakes in Greek mythology were interpreted as healers. So - a crazy dream filled with portents that became very apparent a short while later.

You have it within you to figure out the meaning...


posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 10:48 PM
reply to post by TarzanBeta

Lol, I've never observed a Sabbath. Several years ago (2005) was when I first became aware of the SDA doctrine. I was horrified to think all my life I had been inadvertently pissing off God because I wasn't "spending time with Him on the only anointed day of the week to do so".

It really messed with my head because I couldn't bear the thought of being a stumbling block to my own child by "accepting the 'mark' of the Catholic Church". I spent much time in prayer & searching scripture and felt that God had led me into the resolution of the matter.

Like you, anytime I even considered trying to change my life to observe this practice it was like God just absolutely was not going to allow it. I never encountered the Enemy over it, but my spirit was like Balaam's I simply felt no encouragement or lead, whatsoever. The brief stint had long been done with, but the other day another SDA that is on ATS & was participating in a thread I was in, made a post about submission to Catholic authority over the Sabbath thing, and I felt that old doubt creep back up. I immediately spent time in prayer for God to once and for all resolve the deception of the matter. That was yesterday, and I read your post today.
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posted on Mar, 13 2013 @ 10:49 PM
reply to post by straddlebug

there's no way the rapture's ever going to happen. it's simply not true

posted on Mar, 14 2013 @ 04:15 AM
reply to post by straddlebug

This is the rapture : Pauline Epistles
Thessalonians 4.15-17
"But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep [a]in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a [c]shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive [d]and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words"

You are referring to dead and alive people in your dream..seems strikingly similar to me.
One thing I can say to you, is that I have a strong premonition since August 2012, when I joined ATS. I keep Tarot card nr 20 on my desk here at work (since a few weeks), and look at it all the time. It is the angel with the trumpet and the resurrection of the dead and the alive are praying.

This may just be futile, I don't know...but what I am sure of, is that many people are feeling something, more or less consciously. I hear it in their words, the things they say. People become superstitious, anxious.
When I saw the new Pope last night, I could not help crying. As I am a potential templar and rosicrucian follower, I do not have much respect for the Pope, Rome committed a lot of crimes in the name of God. But why did I cry when I saw him, and the crowd in front of him, waiting for him so eagerly. Maybe the thing that will happen is the thing that we expect nukes, no EQ, no asteroid, no tsunamis, but the shift of mankind.

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