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reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 04:24 PM by SpaDe_
Originally posted by oldkawguy
reply to post by MRuss


Geez.. I got a good mind to bail on the site. What has came true that you know of that these bunch of, the sky is falling crack pots has said that WILL happen. This is just like pro wrestling


I am sure that your massive contribution to this site will be sorely missed with your 29 extremely insightful and informing posts to be left as your legacy. Sheesh people do understand that this is a conspiracy site based on.... wait for it......CONSPIRACY THEORIES! Omg say it isn't so! If you find a topic that doesn't interest you move on to one that does!
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reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 04:25 PM by FissionSurplus
Originally posted by kyviecaldges
Here's an article that was posted 1 hour ago.

I suppose that those who like the adrenaline rush that the OP gives will dismiss it as to allow for a continuation of their "the world is about to explode" belief system.
BTW... we called this type of thinking "cognitive dissonance" when I got my undergrad in Psychology.

Anyway... this article is not speculation. It based on reality from a legitimate media source.

The U.S. dollar is back!

Thanks to a U.S. economy that is outperforming its peers in the developed world, an improving energy trade balance spurred by a domestic energy boom, and a shifting interest rate environment, market practitioners are coming around to the notion that the dollar is poised to enter a new bull market.

link to source
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Oh, good gravy! SERIOUSLY????

They admit in your link that the fed is basically propping up the dollar, while at the same time debasing it with $85 million per day printed in Funny Money, but still try and get people to think that the dollar will be roaring to all time highs and that it is on solid ground.

When I got my undergrad in psychology, we called that a delusion which has no basis in reality.

The way to bring down any country is through their economy. This is basic. Flooding the market with fake money with nothing to back it up will debase the currency. This isn't a game of Monopoly, although it sure acts like it. Currency has to be tied to something solid.

Our economy, if you understand it properly, is now a Ponzi scheme which is nearing the end of its lifespan. It started in 1913. It is on life support. This is not a recovering patient, this is a husk which is kept alive by artificial means.

That article you cited is ALL speculation, it is not based on fact, it is based on the word of the people who are actually doing the rigging and the B.S.ing. These people are not credible whatsoever.

This country will wake up one day, even the happy-go-lucky types such as yourself, and find that the banks are closed and surrounded by law enforcement, and you cannot access any ATMs. Our dollar will basically collapse, and a gallon of gas, which the day before may have been $3.50 - $4.00 per gallon, will suddenly spike up to $8.00 or more per gallon. A loaf of bread will suddenly be $10. People will not be able to feed their families, fill up their vehicles with gas, or pay their rent or utilities.

The fact that it hasn't already happened is because, I believe, those in charge aren't quite ready for the blowback that will occur when this happens. But that time is coming close. My honest feeling is that we'll already be dragged into some kind of God-awful war before this occurs.

But you keep drinking the kool-aide, my friend. Don't prepare for anything, and assume that everything will somehow magically fix itself ("magical thinking"....ring a bell, psych grad?). Despite the lack of solid fundamentals, and the signs of things to come staring you in the face, you go on and whistle a happy tune.

Meanwhile, I watch the stock market every day, and I am horrified...and genuinely afraid.


reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 04:27 PM by lynxpilot
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
Originally posted by solomons path
reply to post by MRuss


Isn't this old . . . like at least a couple months?

I read this "interview with the informant" before. Once before the election and then another after the 1st of the year . . . all the same info.

I'm even pretty sure there is another thread somewhere around here that posted when the latest interview appeared on the blog.


I knew I couldn't be the only person that swears they've read this before.

In regards to the OP...

Lets do some simple math:

The population of the United States is roughly 313,914,040. According to globalsecurity.org, the entire military has about 3,017,414 personel. That number includes reservists and guard memebers.

That would be one service member for every 104 Americans. I don't know about you, but with those numbers I don't see how the government could have enough manpower to exercise complete martial law. Remember, that not everyone in the military is fit for a combat role either.

Now, with the technology that the US military has at their disposal it might make crowd management easier, but to have 104 souls for every single person employed by the military? That's a big stretch.

When you do the math and look at it logically, the only way that the OP's scenario would work is with foreign troops.
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I would venture a guess that the vast majority of tyrannical atrocities imposed by the US government against the citizenry has had very little if anything to do with the military and hopefully will not in the future. They are exercising other means of control, and when the strong arm is needed, we have more alphabet soup agencies that have modern weaponry ad infinitum and can do the control job quite well, especially when you factor in the disinformation that keeps people who fight back in the 'fringe' groups.



reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 04:30 PM by FreeThinkerbychoice
reply to post by MRuss


Firstly I will give credit where credit is due. Well structured Op with insightful quotations from an inside source always backs the validity of somebodies theory.

To a certain degree I can almost believe everything you have stated so far as to have some form of truth.
That the governing body of USA and other parts of the world are planning to over run the world could very well be a fantasy for the people in power.

There is just one major flaw in the attempts, underestimation of their people.
Time and time again I here every body scoffing at the general intelligence of a nations people, to a certain extent it could be true but also paradoxical. If they are so dumbed down then it would be just as easy to convince them into believing the immanent slavery that is being imposed upon them.

Thinking logically that a nation of over 280million people can be over run with Gestapo scare tactics and chemical poisoning coupled with propaganda and the illusive subliminal messaging is merely impossible in today's times.

Considering the huge implications of global dominance over the rest of the world is just as daunting as a nation itself. When the S@%t hits the fans people will talk and people will rise.
Every single civilization on planet earth has followed trends of hypocrisy over its people and the inevitable crumble of the control over them.

I can understand your concern toward the integrity of your country and that of the world as a matter of fact. However I do advise that you become aware of the rapid rise of information that is being shared amongst the masses, the sheepole are waking up. Indirectly you are part of that process of raising awareness. Just do not believe this to be of absolute truth as you might find yourself disappointed if their plans don't work out like they should of. Not that you should because that would make you a hypocrite.

I admire your passion for your country, just don't let it blind you and those you seek to convince into some sort of self fulfilling prophecy.


reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 04:30 PM by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Murgatroid


There is NO reason not to use what could easily be one of the most powerful propaganda tools they have.


You could say the same for other devices that people have fallen in thrall to easier than flies to poisoned honey...ahem ahem.


reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 04:33 PM by MysterX
reply to post by MRuss


Mate, i've never heard of 'Ulsterman' before, but straight away assumed a NI connection.

I'll admit, i've not read your entire OP post, but read this and reacted..



First let me reveal that ATS--along with many other websites (especially those with a conservative bent, like anti-abortion, religious, etc.) were infiltrated by more than 3,000 people hired after the election in something called "Cyber-Warriors for Obama Project." Minimum wage salaries were paid through funds from Obama's political corporation called "Organizing for Obama."


There's nobody who's been on this site for more than a month or so, who doesn't doubt this kind of thing goes on, in one shape or another...it would be beyond ignorance to think any other way, but:

MINIMUM WAGE!!!!

Are you freaking kidding me??!! Seriously?!!

You mean to tell me there are gimps out there, that would sell not only their integrity, but their human conscience too for MINIMUM WAGE!!!

I imagined more from our extrement eating, intelligence community phallus sucking, bottom feeders...i really did.

I thought at LEAST $100,000 a year for a sell out...boy oh boy are these creeps CHEAP! and how naive i am!

(word to the intel guys...if you approach me, i DO NOT work arguing the toss around the clock with 'enemies' for less than a landed country estate, and plenty of readies in the bank/under the mattress)

Blimey, they really are a dime a dozen.

Shocking really.


reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 04:45 PM by SELAboy
Originally posted by kyviecaldges
reply to post by MRuss


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Firstly.... The government buys ammo continually. It's a part of their budget. Military supply contractors make lots of money because the government continually buys replacement ammunition.
This is a way to both pump money into the economy and line the pockets of those supply contractors that lobby to get these contracts; however...
Let's say that you are right.

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While I think the OP's scenario is a worst case and that his source is questionable, you are very wrong with the above quote.
DHS has recently purchased 20 years worth of ammo if used in a constant hot war such as in iraq. The ammo in question is of the "hollow point" variety used to maximize tissue damage, not the fmj (full metal jacket) variety such as is used in training. And why purchase 2700 tanks for domestic use at precisely the time they knew the sequester would hit? They can afford to buy these weapons of war to be used domestically, presumably against American citizens, while they cut TSA specifically to cause travellers grief and let illegal immigrants free (which would exacerbate a collapse situation).
Planned or not, the current fiscal/economic policies of the Federal Reserve and the Federal government cannot result in anything but collapse. look at Europe. big difference: We don't have Germany to bail us out.

Unlike the OP, I just don't think the elite are all that smart. Their policies are failing rapidly, and they want to protect themselves. In other words, I don't think his scenario is that wrong, just that conspiracy theorists give too much credit to the planners.
The planners are idiots who have no conception of the real world and probably believe their own progressive fantasies could actually work.
Now they see that things are not working and are, in fact, failing at an exponential rate. They may be dumb in terms of history but they at least know the fate of many a fallen elite class a la the ancien regime of 18th century France. Disarmarment of the POed people and raising a domestic army of secret police to protect their own power is only natural. "It could never happen here" are famous last words of many a naive buffoon throughout history. Ask a Roman in August of 410 AD or even earlier on january 9, 49 BC. Rubicons get crossed all the time...


reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 05:04 PM by DestroyDestroyDestroy
Originally posted by MRuss
reply to post by kyviecaldges


Kumbayah, and all that stuff.

Sit around the fire, my friend, and pass your peace pipe.

I have been studying--astutely--the changes in American policies, economics and government (as have many of us here) for many, many years.

You can't afford to keep your head in the sand.

If you're not interested in knowing the truth, why belong to ATS?

I am sure there are all kinds of interesting spiritual sites on the web that you can go hang out in.

Some of us here are trying to get to the bottom of what is happening in the world.

So, please....

Let us do that,

Okay?


What you are presenting is hardly truth. What you're going is taking one scenario and relating it to a twisted doom fantasy:

"Government buys bulletz, they must want to kill us!!!!"

Please, tell me why the government wants to kill us, let alone desires economic collapse? What possible reason in the world could there be for those in power to want to lose power. I'm talking about the economic and military power, as well as the influence, that comes with being a superpower. If there is one trend that you should take to note from human history, it is that those in power do not wish to relinquish themselves of power.

Now, is congress incompetent? Absolutely. Is economic collapse brewing on the horizon? Perhaps. We have an insurmountable amount of debt with no intent, let alone way, of paying it back, but that's not all too important provided other countries continue to trade with us.


reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 05:22 PM by Murgatroid
Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
What you are presenting is hardly truth. What you're going is taking one scenario and relating it to a twisted doom fantasy: Please, tell me why the government wants to kill us, let alone desires economic collapse?

You would have thought that some people would have LEARNED something from JFK's murder...

FYI: the government doesn't want to kill us.

The "government" itself has been killed.

Mr. (or MS.) DestroyDestroyDestroy, you may just want to just roll over and go back to sleep.

BTW, that username sounds AWFULLY suspicious...

One group and one group alone is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet. This evil cabal is few in numbers but, like a deadly octopus, its tentacles reach out to grip and strangle untold multitudes of innocent victims. The initiates of every secret society and internationalist organization, from the Council on Foreign Relations and the Jesuits to the Bilderbergers and the Order of Skull & Bones, obey the dictates of this sinister group and tremble when standing before its leaders.

The cabalist group I refer to is the Synagogue of Satan, an ancient, yet modern, elite so politically powerful and so fabulously wealthy that even past history has been twisted, reshaped, and revised to meet its preferred version of humanity's gloomy, totalitarian future.

The Synagogue of Satan





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reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 05:27 PM by Daedalus
reply to post by Hopechest


i'd like to bring to your attention a point of specificity...

they did have one permanent effect; precedent


reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 05:33 PM by FissionSurplus
A few posters have made the statement that there is no way that we can have a one-world government, that it is logistically impossible.

I disagree. Current technology makes it very possible. As it is, all our economic markets are tied together. The world has become a very small place, thanks to the satellites in the sky. Technology is the noose that will hang us all. Like anything else, what was one a fabulous idea is now becoming a monster.

If you take away people's land, and the ability to grow their own food, etc., you have huge populations which are dependent on the Powers That Be. How many times have we seen stories in other third world countries in which a government went rogue, and a huge population was uprooted and ended up starving to death?

It is a fact that corporate farms are becoming the norm, and small family farms are going out of business. Stories about the FDA coming down hard on small farmers and dairys are rampant. Municipal water works are being bought by private corporations. If you don't have enough water, you cannot really grow crops. T. Boone Pickens, the buzzard of Texas, has bought up tons of what used to be little farms, in order to access the Ogallala Aquifer, so that he can pump it dry and send the water to cities like Fort Worth and Dallas.

I see Agenda 21 being implemented, in which people live in crowded cities, and are not allowed into the countryside, which is owned by corporate farms and the elite. Ever see the movie "Soylent Green"? Everybody remembers the part about people being fed cannabalistic green people crackers, but it also shows a much hotter world, a world where people are forced to live in crowded cities and everything is rationed, and the rich elites have access to things like air conditioning, private transportation, real food, etc. Euthanasia is encouraged.

That movie is a blueprint for Agenda 21. What can stop this? Sovereign nations and free people who have access to weapons of defense.

Get rid of free nations, force people into restricted areas where they can be tracked and monitored, and, perhaps, throw a little eugenics in there to cull the herd, and you can then implement a world which belongs to a few rich creeps with ultimate control. The adults who know this is wrong can be "re-educated" or eliminated. The children can be taught to accept this as normal. One generation is all it takes.

The technology is there. The sociopathic individuals in positions of power are there. The "how" is patently obvious. The "why" is in the nature of the beast. That's the ultimate power trip, isn't it? Taking over the world. When you have more money than you know what to do with, power becomes the goal. It's not about having love for nature, it is about owning it all.

Forgive my lengthy post, I just wanted to add this. The OP is right on the money. I just wanted to extrapolate beyond the US unraveling, to the final checkmate.


reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 05:38 PM by Bilk22
Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by MRuss


The one part always missing out of these conspiracies is the reason why.

What does the government possibly have to gain by destroying their populace?

Money, power, control?

It seems that if they have the ability to do everything your predicting then they already have those things. You always need to come up with a motive for conspiracies before you put together pieces.

Yes a motive is necessary. There's motive associated with every action taken by every human, every waking hour of the day. Basic fulfillment of sustenance has a motive. So there's motive to everything.

Throughout history men have taken steps to drag a society down a road they believe is the best road for all to take. Most any time this has occurred, the method, means and results were not pretty. Do you believe man has changed enough to cease such endeavors?

The motive doesn't need to be defined for the uninitiated to see there is an agenda being implemented. If it were a noble, benign agenda, it would be pronounced in the public forum and allowed to be debated. Some people somewhere know what is motivating them and what methods they need to employ to attempt to influence the change they desire. That is certainly a truth in all of this. Will the change and the road there be best for all, this time? Probably not as history has proved time and again.
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reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 06:01 PM by Daedalus
reply to post by libertytoall


and do you suppose you could present some hard evidence to support your pie in the sky assessment of the state of the U.S. economy?

i mean, you're not even making sense...it's gained value over the last two years, compared to what? the paper money has no actual value itself..it's the value of what it represents that is the real question...it's about buying power...

the USD is backed by debt, as a result of fractional reserve banking...

the USD actually has 5.6% LESS buying power now, than it did in 2010, and 2226.1% less buying power than it did in 1913..that's per federal government CPI data

with foreclosures still happening left and right, REAL unemployment somewhere around 25%, and the dollar being worth what it is, how in the hell can you sit there and say things are not close to collapse?


reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 06:14 PM by WeRpeons

The one part always missing out of these conspiracies is the reason why. What does the government possibly have to gain by destroying their populace? Money, power, control? It seems that if they have the ability to do everything your predicting then they already have those things. You always need to come up with a motive for conspiracies before you put together pieces.
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Not only that, but if the economy crashes, it will affect our government officials and military personnel. Government officials have families and so do soldiers in our military. I see the opposite taking place. The government will lose control of the populace and their own military. People will be starving and they will want action by their government officials. It could come to the point where people start raiding government buildings. I see nothing but chaos if the world economy crashes. The government in control? Not if millions are cold, starving and dying.


reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 06:16 PM by Daedalus
reply to post by intrptr


where does it say anything about web traffic?

it says infiltration, collection of screen names of persons of interest, and resolution to real-world identity...

it's really not that hard...reading, i mean....

in all seriousness, their tasking isn't that hard either. say, for instance, there are some of them assigned to watch this place....some watch the front page, some watch specific sections of the site, read hot, and "promising" topics...look for people who say certain things, think a certain way, talk about certain topics...they log those screen names, and work from there.. it gets even simpler if you can hand over that list of names(and maybe IP addresses, if they can get them) over to another team who does nothing but match screen names to real names...this isn't terribly complicated..
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