ATS Exclusive - Turkey UFO Incident - New Details - A Fresh Look At The Kumburgaz Case 2007 to 2009

reply to post by RoScoLaz

Yes. Why wouldn't they?

We tend to observe mirages most often during the daylight, but superior mirage conditions commonly occur during the night. Indeed, inversion formation is much more frequent during the night hours, at times occurring nightly for long stretches.

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reply to post by Phage


thanks Phage, i didn't know that

If someone could help locate the 2008 1st generation file it would be nice.

We have a team of a few people - not many

We have 2009 - going to be uploaded soon
2007 is up

need 2008

I am suprised that nobody cares in the paranormal field
nobody is doing anything

it seems people cared more about the Jerusalem HOAX and the CARET DRONE HOAX

than they do about this case.

Can Springer, Jonny Anon, Ritzmann, Biedny, Skeptic Overlord comment with their observations please?

reply to post by CigaretteMan

A stick in the water is just that. A stick in the water. Not a man swimming.

Did you see someone´s analysis video showing the man in the water? I go back and get it for you later

P.S. a word to the debunkers - give it up - you will not be able to debunk this - everyone who has tried has failed - even hoaxkiller can't debunk it.

Here is ATS, the house of dialog, debate, questioning, and finally debanking lovers. People around here don´t sit and swallow a thread without questioning. You invited us to "debate", not solely to "agree"

Stop embarassing yourself.

I don´t feel a tiny bit embarrassed, if this was meant to me. I take this as an unnecessary personal attack and quite rude, since I´m only placing fare game ideas on the table for collective debate. By saying this you´re trying to avoid ideas that goes against yours, regardless of their validity in terms of conversation. I must point out that all my posts were not a personal attack or were diminishing your conjectures. Don´t embarrass yourself by doing this

That being said I am a healthy skeptic which is different than a debunker.

Well, I´m a "healthy believer" and to be honest I quite don´t believe you´re that skeptic

Originally posted by RoScoLaz
do mirages occur at night?

I had already posted about that a few posts above you.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by CigaretteMan

P.S. a word to the debunkers - give it up - you will not be able to debunk this - everyone who has tried has failed - even hoaxkiller can't debunk it.

Stop embarassing yourself.

That being said I am a healthy skeptic which is different than a debunker.
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Hark at her we are all sceptics I joined here to see REAL EVIDENCE of ufo's, have I seen it yet NO if I see the real deal I will back it , what I wont listen to is some cretin trying to dictate how people should react to his thread

Just a reminder to everyone.

2007 1st generation is uploaded but its 1GB so be patient.

It is not all the 2007 video, There is more but I have not been able to find it.

reply to post by wmd_2008


doh! i missed that. sorry, my bad.

reply to post by ArMaP


Check this one:

reply to post by CigaretteMan


It's pretty disappointing isn't it?
Not a single frame of reference, just a black screen with an obscured object bouncing around as he tries to hold his camera steady at full zoom. The objects don't move, are always cropped the same at the bottom, are in such low light that there's just not enough information for the camera to pick up on. You can't even tell if the object is in the air, on the water, or if this was filmed in a dark room. It's unidentifiable alright, probably on purpose, I don't think someone would be foolish enough to film a boat at night over 30 times and not realize what it was, but is it flying? There's no way to tell. I suspect the poor quality of the video combined with the unbelievability of a single person on a popular beach being the only one to film a UFO that showed up 30+ times over 3 years is why there isn't any interest in this case.

reply to post by freelance_zenarchist


Hey freelance, see my picture above? see how it´s cropped the same way?
Have a look

reply to post by ImpactoR


Stabilized video from a mexican bloke. Man swimming shown from 3´40´´:
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by LordAdef


Yeah dude, all of the night shots are cropped the same across the bottom. For awhile I thought he was filming something small, like an extra camera lens and cropped the bottom half off to make it look like a flying saucer shape, like this:



But that would involve some work, plus then he would have to add the sound of the ocean onto the audio track in editing, and one thing I've learned from observing UFO hoaxes over the years is that amateur hoaxers put in as little work as they can. I think he was filming something outside on the water that was too far away and too poorly lit to be captured decently by his camera. The obfuscation combined with the shape of object opens the doors for all kinds of pareidolia. Such as alien insects performing an autopsy in a cramped, open air flying machine.

Originally posted by LordAdef
reply to post by ImpactoR

 

Stabilized video from a mexican bloke. Man swimming shown from 3´40´´:
www.youtube.com...

edit on 25-3-2013 by LordAdef because: (no reason given)

Nope nobody swimming.

Were is the swimmer? Is the swimmer a scuba diver on the bottom?



No swimmer

Try again.

reply to post by CigaretteMan

Watch the video at 3:40.
www.youtube.com...

And the bottom of this object is not flat and does not resemble your theory at. Forgotmori

Forgotmori forgot to do their homework.

reply to post by freelance_zenarchist


YOU NEARLY GOT IT!



This was a "4 MINUTES" experiment a made to check if it was possible to reproduce the ufo.
i got the first key hanger I found here, stuck it through a black cloth and took a picture with my Iphone 4s. Note it was a daytime picture:




Give me whatever he used and I´m sure it can be done very easily. My next step is to film the UFO...

by the way.... no CGI, ONLY a 4 minutes test including email and posting

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by CigaretteMan

 

Watch the video at 3:40.
www.youtube.com...

Watch the part when the Dog actually is barking

not at 3:40 when the dog is not barking

it would be useful to examine when the dog barks

not when it doesnt

Here some of the ufos fly up above a tree and behind an apartment complex.

So you are saying this is a

1. flying keychain?
2. moving mirage at night
3. flying swimmer

reply to post by CigaretteMan

it would be useful to examine when the dog barks

not when it doesnt

There was a swimmer in the area. When my dog barks at something he often looks around but I can't really tell in the video exactly what direction the dog is looking.

You would think that the fishermen would have shown some interest in the UFO. Wouldn't you?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

So you are saying this is a

Space station.
www.abovetopsecret.com...