reply to post by WhiteAlice
Well, I suspect that the music was a big part of the program, whatever that might have been, so feeling a negative effect from it alone doesn't
surprise me. Many have speculated that some music could be used to affect people in different ways, and I think it's a distinct possibility. For as
long as I can remember, I have come across certain songs, and in some cases, bands/singers, that I really didn't want to listen to AT ALL. Not every
time I hear something new or anything, but once in a while, for as long as I can recall, there is a song that I simply do not want to hear. On
occasion, I have even left the room, or building, to avoid one. Many times, this is something very popular, and I can't explain. Maybe it's just
that I really AM that picky, and some thing just get on my nerves, but some of these were SO "icky", in a way I can't explain, that I have to
wonder. The group for that tape is one case where I like almost nothing I have ever heard from them. Since I like a reasonably diverse variety of
music, that stands out.
That flashing light study is more than a little creepy. I can't help but think that something done on rats could easily have been done on people as
well. Some black budget project, with little to no oversight, could have found the effect far earlier than that. Plus, I can't help but speculate
about strobe lights. I know for a fact those were very common in clubs back in the 80's. The study mentions some sort of fear conditioning, and the
lights, but what if someone went to a club in just the right state of mind? I do remember a few people really not liking the strobes. One, to be
fair, has some tendencies towards epilepsy, which would matter, but most didn't seem to. Maybe some are more susceptible than others, too. Heck,
maybe observing some in clubs lead to such research. IN your case, anyway, it seems clear this was part of whatever else was happening.
With your sister, i have to wonder if she really does remember that part of what happened. Maybe she remembers some of the "training"; the harsh
lessons, bed-making and the like, and possibly some sort of abusive behavior, but doesn't recall the mental manipulation at all. Or, maybe she
recalls the fear-conditioning parts, and not the rest. Either way, it doesn't seem like she will be of much help to you. Considering the
differences in your personalities, it's possible that is a factor as well, in how people will respond to such things.
It sounds like your grandfather might have had some remorse, but then, he did make his own decisions. Even orders, if he had such, wouldn't really
excuse doing something like that with his own family. In the case of your mother, she could be as much of a victim herself, if the same was done to
her. She could also simply be in a line of abuse, and if that's the case, could have moved past it, as many do (yourself included). Legally,
probably nothing you can do, which makes getting answers harder. Depending on who was involved, and at what level, answers could be difficult anyway.
It seems like the timing was at least close to the known MK Ultra tests, that were exposed. Have you considered checking into that?