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reply posted on 11-3-2013 @ 11:49 AM by Bybyots
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Witchcraft must necessarily reflect current social conditions and mores; magick must necessarily not, as it remains almost entirely unchanged since Plotinus was dubbed a neo-Platonist.

What is this 'new' magick?

Chaos magick, is certainly not new, Frater U.D., was born in '52 and 'Chaos Magick' was 'new' when I was a very young man.

And none of that is new now or was even new then; it just seemed new because A. O. Spare was not really on anyone's radar yet.

The authors that write and publish books on magick worked their way down to Crowley's bones in the 70s, so they began picking at Spare's Corpse immediately thereafter, that's all.

So where is this 'new' stuff?




reply posted on 11-3-2013 @ 02:02 PM by Wandering Scribe
reply to post by Saurus



Simplicity.

The current generation interested in magical theory, the younger generation, are not capable of holding their interest to a single topic for very long. I do generalize, as there are many, many practitioners who are capable. The current trend though, as with all other cultural arts, is to simplify things, make them quicker, less involved, and reduce the complexity. Take angelic magic, for example.

During the Medieval Age and the Renaissance angelic magic was known as Enochiana. This was a very complex system, with it's own fully-functioning language, an independent set of rituals, maical squares, invocations, tools, and preparations. All of this was collected together by a pair of extremely dedicated astrologer/divinators, John Dee, and Edward Kelley.

In the 1800 and early 1900s, Angelic Magic blended with Occult studies, Theosophy, and Hermetics. The result was reinterpretations of "ancient" Grimoires, featuring sigils, rituals, times of day, specific prayers and invocations, and various interpretations of sacred Hebraic works like the Zohar, or general Kaballistic practices (called Qabala by the adept). Despite the complexity, and ceremonial element of this Occult Angelic Magic, it was still greatly simplified from the strict guidelines of Dee and Kelley's work.

Now, if you buy a book from Silver Ravenwolf, or some other New Age, Wiccan, or Neopagan, concerning Angelic Magic, you'll find a brand new spin on things. It usually involves visualization, thinking "good," or "pure" thoughts, and wanting the angel to come bless you, or help you through whatever trial you believe you are in the middle of. The ceremony, the magical accumulation of will, spirit, and energy, the focus and dedication to the Art being performed... all of it is gone. Angelic Magic in the New Age no longer requires fealty to a cause. All it requires now is a candle, and some happy thoughts.

The same thing is occurring all over various magical and mystical schools of thought. I think it is because more modern generations have become significantly more flighty than their fathers, grandfathers, and ancestors. This is why you have hacks like Carlos Casteneda going around trying to promote non-native Shamanism, as having been legitimate. Or why writers like Douglas Monroe were blacklisted by other Druids as being full of misinterpretations, had been mistranslated, or were outright lies. The defining thread though, is always simplicity. Removing the actual dedication from the magic, and trying to make it viable for anyone and everyone who has five minutes of free time, and is bored.

Not that there aren't/weren't still exceptional magicians, Druids, and Seiðr out there though. People like John Michael Greer, Aaron Leitch, Chic and Tabatha Cicero, Isaac Bonewits, and Migene González-Wippler, among others, are/were all dedicated writers who did their best to present the magical theory as close to it's origin as possible. Many of them even (Greer, Leitch, Bonewits, González-Wippler) also have degrees in historical, anthropological, or comparative fields which accompany their writings and practices.

So really, I think it all depends on who's books you pick up, and with what level of dedication you begin your study of the Art. If you're not-so-dedicated, and you pick up a book by Silver Ravenwolf, or Konstantinos, then you'll get out exactly as much as you put in. If, however, you have dedication and devotion to the art, and you pick up a book by any of the other scholarly magicians I've mentioned here, then you'll definitely get more bang for your buck.

~ Wandering Scribe


reply posted on 12-3-2013 @ 02:32 PM by Wandering Scribe
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I know that the idea of Silence has magickal implication in a variety of magical schools of thought. I'm not sure if Keeping Silent, as it is called in those disciplines, is the same as the "secrecy" of cyber-magic or not though.

The traditional Hermetic Quaternary is one such example, it is typically presented as a Triangle within a Circle. The Triangle's three sides being:

To Know
Equivalent of the Classical Element: Earth
And the Alchemists Mercury

To Will
Equivalent to the Classical Element: Air
And the Alchemists Salt

To Dare
Equivalent to the Classical Element: Fire
And the Alchemists Sulfur

The Circle which encloses the Triangle representing the physical body, the vessel through which the magical energies may be worked with, channeled, and cultivated, is known as:

To Keep Silent
Equivalent to the Classical Element: Water
And the entirety of the Alchemists elements

Also, in a variety of cultures you have deities, or heroes, who's names imply Silence, or secrecy.

Ninhursag, the Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian, and Chaldean mother-goddess, under the epithet Nin-Sig-Sig, means "The Lady of Silence," and was related to our neutral moral and ethical compass upon birth.

Horus the Younger is known as The Silent One in Egyptian, Greek, and Thelemic magical practices.

In Norse mythology the god Víðarr had associations with ritual silence and magical quietude.

Again though, I don't know if "cyber magicians" are really thinking hard enough to put together all of the above connections, ha ha. But, some food for thought.

~ Wandering Scribe


reply posted on 19-3-2013 @ 10:44 AM by tzdub
reply to post by Saurus



Please elaborate as I would love to hear what type of magic/magik you think you can really control.
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