US and Taliban are colluding, Hamid Karzai alleges

War on terror War on Drugs...is it just a coincidence Heroin supplies have increased since the invasion of Afghanistan.....ask some of the lads who have served over there if they have ever manned a check point and saw the Lorry loads get waved through without so much as a look under the tarp.....

Has Anyone ever seen the state of the so called Trained Afghan police and Army....Smacked out their heads most of the day....I would rather Have the Taliban as the countries main policing force as the Smacked head, Gun totting cowboy Tramps that are supposed to take over from the troops once they leave....God Help those poor people.

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I think that is a BIG BIG part of why no standing occupation or proper war should ever have been touched there. It's like going to invade Colombia and then telling the farmers Coca is no longer legal to grow. You don't just have rebels anymore, you have a whole population fighting you.

With Poppys being one of the only exports that nation actually has .... Well... I hate that we're even tacitly supporting it and this needs to end ...but wiping it all out would have made the WHOLE nation come at the Western forces with blood and murder in their eye.

One thing tho... I read a research paper some time back saying that Poppy crops make for one of the highest density energy sources for bio-based fuels of anything they'd tested. Far better than silly switch grass or other garbage people have suggested. Far far better than Corn, in fact. I've always wondered why they didn't just keep the crops and change the end product.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by ollncasino
reply to post by daaskapital

 

What interest do the Taliban have in working with the Americans to keep them in Afghanistan?

Great point. Absolutely zero interest. Karzai has never been the most stable of men and his personal background leaves one really baffled as to how the u.s. picked that toad of a man as the winning horse for Afghan Government Leadership.

I'd predict Karzai is deposed and..not of this Earth...within about 6 months of losing foreign protection and security around his personal space. He's been playing both sides of the fence between the West and the Taliban for quite awhile now (as the US has too...in getting out without looking too bad). The Taliban tolerates our doing it, I think, because it is to leave. I think they just mark the days until they can handle Karzai without us, for what he's done.

Just my general two cents and opinion on the Kabul intrigue.

I totally agree. Karzai is a Dead Man Walking. There had to have been someone better than him to pin the U.S. hopes on. I would have tried to get someone from the Northern Alliance rather than a pseudo Pashtun warlord who likes to wear a cape and deal opium, while biting and criticizing the hand that feeds him.

I predict a Benito Mussolini type end for him.

Just goes to show how far the wool has been pulled over the majority about whats really happening,all the while our freedoms, liberties and national wealth are chipped away from outright lies,and deceit,all before the watchfull eye of very people we entrust to defend it

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Which has it's roots all the way back in the '80's when the CIA worked with narco-traffikers in S. America - it's a great way to fund black programs.

Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
reply to post by Symbiot

 

I think the US has crossed the threshold of regaining positive feedback from the Afghans. Same for the rest of NATO, pretty much.

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Even if the Afghan people are starting to feel more positive towards the US they're still going to want to feel that they are a self governing people. Most Americans have a positive feeling towards the British these days, but they wouldn't want to feel as though their government is just a British puppet.

Originally posted by larapa
reply to post by Symbiot

 

Follow the money , what is Taliban, who controls Taliban are they linked to Alqaeda? Of course the CIA are involved they have been there from the start who do you think was fighting the russians "the usa will not negotiate with terrorist" lol unless it is in our interests. The pashtuns are just 1 ethnic group that hold the key to this whole mess and to who is allowed power in those regions .... check out the map below (hint those diffrent tribes do not get on). These are not 2 child molesters there is one that has trained/brainwashed a troubed victim ( created the beast)

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The CIA is not as almighty as they might have you think. In the wild one of the first tactics employed when warding off potential threats is to make yourself appear larger than you actually are. The CIA and other organizations will often make themselves appear more powerful and frightening than they actually are in order to ward off potential threats before they even become a threat.

In my opinion the victim created the beast and I'm not talking about Afghanistan, but humanity. Through our earliest mistakes we created a world of fear by fighting over things that, for all intents and purposes, need not have been fought over. After so many atrocities in the fight for nothing we now loathe one another because of past grievances and fear one another to such an extent that we're going to continue arming ourselves. Russia builds arms to protect themselves and their strategic interests from the US, and others, and the US builds arms to protect themselves and their strategic resources from Russia and others. Russia might consider an offensive against the US, but only because they would use the offense as a means to defend themselves from possible future aggressions by the US. The US might consider an offensive against Russia, but only because they would use the offense as a means to defend themselves from possible future aggressions by the Russians.

In truth they could both lay down their arms, but if anyone brought the proposition to the table the other simply wouldn't trust them and only assume the proposition of peace a ploy to gain the upper hand. In the war that has raged for eons information was weaponized, after so many lies no one is willing to trust anyone and so even the proposition of peace is considered a veiled attempt at war.

This clearly shows that we, as a race, are just the dumbest of the dumb. We've really shot ourselves in the foot and have no idea how to stop the bleeding. There was never a need for any of this nonsense, but here we are stuck in a downward spiral and it's our own damn fault.

Edit: The only reason Russia has a reason to fear the US is because the US has a reason to fear Russia. The only reason the US has a reason to fear Russia is because Russia has a reason to fear the US.

"categorically false" huh? Why not false all together? Something seems a bit off here...

There may be some credibility here if the President Karzai is saying so...

-SAP-

The US would have been a lot smarter to apply the least possible force necessary to contain the Extremist threat. Ground invasions weren't needed in Iraq or Afghanistan, more like the Drone Wars of today and less of the Massive Overkill Powell Doctrine.

I say just let them all slug it out over there. Prune the battlefield of unsavory elements as you go along. Let the free market handle commodities like oil. Use the advantages of the United States...don't play *their* game.

Unfortunately, war is business, and there are too many snouts in the trough.

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Thank you OP and god bless.

But who cares ? (count the flags)

They just were angry and they asked that Afghanistan must be attacked.

Since when do the Americans rely on public opinion for their invasions?

'' convince the public that the Americans need to stay ''

I don't think that public opinion matters.

The US denounced what the president of Afghanistan had to say, and they say Kim and Ahmedinejad are bold.

Seems legit simply because the application of common sense agrees, even as a kid I knew to wait for mom to leave before I did anything I shouldn't. If the Taliban or Alqaedas cause is to control Afghan then why would they do things that would force the US to stay and kill them more.

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Why do you think the talibans are still there at all? Should have been overran a long time ago.

I saw a video on YouTube some time ago where General Hamid Gul, a former head of Pakistan's InterServices Intelligence agency said that the future of Afghanistan would be decided in conversations between Mullah Omar, leader of the Taliban, and President Obama.

This interview was recorded at the time of the Libyan conflict and talks a lot about the various manifestations of Al Qaeda, but if you scroll ahead to 7:00 and watch to the end, General Gul says some very interesting things about the Taliban and what he thinks America will do.



A very interesting point made by General Gul, which you will never read in an American newspaper or hear in the American media is that the conflict between the Taliban and the US is mostly about the fiscal aspects of sharia law. The Taliban want Afghanistan to be run along Muslim fiscal lines.

No interest charges on financial dealings.

I don't know much about international finance, but I suspect that a loss of debt charges would be a huge game changer for America.

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Well said man, it's sad how many people do not realize the truth.

"Al-Qaida", literally started out as a 'database,' and was originally a computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians during the cold war.
Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, whose Foreign Office portfolio included control of British Intelligence Agency MI-6 and the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), went on record about this in a column published by the UK Guardian newspaper.
News Article

In other words, the so-called "Al Qaeda," which was misnamed and misreported by Government/ Media as "The Base" (not the "database") and then promoted by the Government/ Media Cartel as the cause of all bombings and terrorism since the destruction of the World Trade Center. Al Qaeda was simply a database of CIA trained "terrorists" (or "freedom fighters," depending on your perspective) which has become the main method of installing global fear and terror across the World's stage as a means of control.

Hear it right from Hillary Clinton,


Great thread, hopefully it gets the attention it deserves.

Originally posted by Symbiot
reply to post by Bacardi

 

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that the US is employing a disinformation strategy to help facilitate their exodus from the area while increasing the ability of their puppet Afghan government to maintain a level of public trust. They've turned the Taliban in to the US puppet and Hamid Karzai into the anti-US liberator while in actuality the Taliban are anti-US, though not liberators, and Hamid Karzai is the one colluding with the US.

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any book dealing with american foreing policy would have to be called hypocricy if dealing with reality.

the golf of tonkin in vietnam, the weapons of mass destruction in iraq and everything in between.

the primary reason for defence spending is the fleecing of america by the military/industrial complex.

the monies spent on housing troops overseas is obscene, the people in charge are guilty of treason to the american citizens, imo.
from korea to africa to europe the scams are endless.

france went broke in the 1950s and brought their troops home.
the russians went broke in the 1990s and their troops went home.
lets pray a similar blessing soon happens to america for everybody's benefit.

removing these fat parasites from the usa budget might leave enough revenue to fix potholes and other problems in america.

and ending these endless criminal wars would benefit all humanity, the environment economy, imo.

i'm a veteran, honorably discarged, but bs is bs, and that is all washinton dc is dishing out.

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Realy? Who would say that...

Of course they are colluding. There is nothing you should believe coming from any politician. Here is why: