US and Taliban are colluding, Hamid Karzai alleges

US and Taliban are colluding, Hamid Karzai alleges

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Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Sunday accused the Taliban and the US of working in concert to convince Afghans that violence will worsen if most foreign troops leave — an allegation the top American commander in Afghanistan rejected as "categorically false".

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Karzai said two suicide bombings that killed 19 people on Saturday — one outside the Afghan defence ministry and the other near a police checkpoint in eastern Khost province — show the insurgent group is conducting attacks to help show that international forces will still be needed to keep the peace after their current combat mission ends in 2014.

"The explosions in Kabul and Khost yesterday showed that they are at the service of America and at the service of this phrase: 2014. They are trying to frighten us into thinking that if the foreigners are not in Afghanistan, we would be facing these sorts of incidents,"

Well, this is interesting to say the least. Here we have the Afghan President, Hamid Karzai stating that the USA and the Taliban are working together in order to persuade the population that Foreign forces are needed after 2014.

While this wouldn't surprise me if it did indeed turn out to be true, Hamid is known to make outlandish claims without proof.

What does ATS think?

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reply to post by daaskapital


What interest do the Taliban have in working with the Americans to keep them in Afghanistan?

Why is this interesting? The CIA is on record creating Al Qaeda and Fox News is on record with the marines saying they're growing opium in Afghanistan while there's a "war on drugs" in American (for profit prisons). Anyone who doesn't see this as a scam has been living under a rock the past 20 years.

My suspicions on this subject, having only just read about it. The public in Afghanistan probably doesn't care a whole lot for US forces, viewing them as an occupying force which no one ever really cares for. If the US and US placed Afghan leadership can get portions of the public to associate the Taliban with the US then those people will associate the Taliban with their disdain for the US. This way the US can more safely pull out without giving the Taliban a means to bolster their forces because the public will suspect that the Taliban are actually in cahoots with the US.

Moreover Hamid Karzai can use this to distance himself from the US. This strategy would work to convince the public that the Taliban are working with the hated US and Hamid Karzai is not. In reality Hamid Karzai is working with the US and the Taliban are not.

reply to post by Symbiot


Oh they don't care for an occupying force? I wonder what the US would say if China invaded and decided to set up bases all around the nation? And then call anyone that resists them terrorists.

reply to post by Bacardi


I'm not saying they should like the US being there, merely pointing out that they don't. I'm saying that the US is using the hatred directed towards themselves as a weapon to weaken the Taliban's ability to bolster its forces.

A shrewd strategy.

reply to post by Symbiot


The hatred we created. Bin Laden is dead. Why are we still there? Nobody knows. Nobody asks questions. The US can literally SHUT DOWN and we will still have "defense" spending. People can live on the street in American as long as we fight Israel's holy war.

Originally posted by Bacardi
Why is this interesting? The CIA is on record creating Al Qaeda and Fox News is on record with the marines saying they're growing opium in Afghanistan while there's a "war on drugs" in American (for profit prisons). Anyone who doesn't see this as a scam has been living under a rock the past 20 years.

Just because the USA has been involved in shady dealings in the past, you do not think this is interesting? This is interesting, simply because it is (regardless of the fact that the CIA was instrumental in the creation, and aiding of Bin Laden/Al Qaeda.).

reply to post by Bacardi


It's not about Israel. It's about creating a new world order and Israel are just a tool for a stronghold in the Middle East.

reply to post by Bacardi


I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that the US is employing a disinformation strategy to help facilitate their exodus from the area while increasing the ability of their puppet Afghan government to maintain a level of public trust. They've turned the Taliban in to the US puppet and Hamid Karzai into the anti-US liberator while in actuality the Taliban are anti-US, though not liberators, and Hamid Karzai is the one colluding with the US.

I can understand the military industrial complex wanting to keep the cash cow, that is the Afghan war going. As for the Taliban, it projects their perceived threat to the rest of the Afghan people.

reply to post by Symbiot


Personally, I think you've hit the nail on the head. Stars for you.

reply to post by daaskapital


It's more of the same ol same ol. This is what the US Government does. No, it's not interesting. This is just the norm.

reply to post by Wide-Eyes


Thank you sir. I'm not commenting on the legitimacy of the Afghan war or for what reasons it was fought as I'm sure there are many. Personally I consider my self a non-objective third party on the subject as I don't care for the methods of the US or Afghanistan. Kinda like watching two child molesters fight to the death, I'm not rooting for either of'em, but the strategy I believe the US is employing here is a sound one in my opinion.

Edit: Although in the long run the US would probably be better off not using the hatred directed towards them, but instead working to eliminate it. While using that hatred might have short term benefits, in the long run we're likely to find that things such as middle eastern terrorism directed at US interests will continue if not increase.

Originally posted by ollncasino
reply to post by daaskapital

 

What interest do the Taliban have in working with the Americans to keep them in Afghanistan?

Great point. Absolutely zero interest. Karzai has never been the most stable of men and his personal background leaves one really baffled as to how the u.s. picked that toad of a man as the winning horse for Afghan Government Leadership.

I'd predict Karzai is deposed and..not of this Earth...within about 6 months of losing foreign protection and security around his personal space. He's been playing both sides of the fence between the West and the Taliban for quite awhile now (as the US has too...in getting out without looking too bad). The Taliban tolerates our doing it, I think, because it is to leave. I think they just mark the days until they can handle Karzai without us, for what he's done.

Just my general two cents and opinion on the Kabul intrigue.

Nothing new here, the only enemy of Taliban there are Iranian (which is won them the infamous title of “part of axis of evil” issued by the most stupid POTUS in known history of America) by “sheepishly” helped the US to fight against the Taliban and their exporting drugs world wide back in 2001-2003 actually.

I wonder why this peon Kharazi would say such things..?

What would be behind this..?

reply to post by Symbiot


Follow the money , what is Taliban, who controls Taliban are they linked to Alqaeda? Of course the CIA are involved they have been there from the start who do you think was fighting the russians "the usa will not negotiate with terrorist" lol unless it is in our interests. The pashtuns are just 1 ethnic group that hold the key to this whole mess and to who is allowed power in those regions .... check out the map below (hint those diffrent tribes do not get on). These are not 2 child molesters there is one that has trained/brainwashed a troubed victim ( created the beast)

reply to post by Symbiot


I think the US has crossed the threshold of regaining positive feedback from the Afghans. Same for the rest of NATO, pretty much.

reply to post by daaskapital


Interesting.. I do suppose it is possible. I thought it was really odd that someone on a bicycle could peddle basically right up to the American mission in Kabul and detonate themselves. Dont they have vast security in the blocks around the building? If so (I imagine they do.. I would bet no one on the board could simply walk up to the gates) how was this guy allowed to pass? I am sure the US has technology that would have alerted them to a functioning electronic bomb. That one aspect of the bombings just struck me as so odd.. how was it possible? Lets not forget the US worked in concert with the Taliban and Al-Qaeda during the Russian invasion. Read the book Ghost Wars by Steve Coll. I believe it won a Pulitzer prize for Non-Fiction. In it he talks about Al-Qaeda's relationship to the CIA,NSA etc. How Al-Qaeda was basically just a name for the database used by the CIA to let them know who was on the US's side.
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Steve Coll's Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001 offers revealing details of the CIA's involvement in the evolution of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in the years before the September 11 attacks. From the beginning, Coll shows how the CIA's on-again, off-again engagement with Afghanistan after the end of the Soviet war left officials at Langley with inadequate resources and intelligence to appreciate the emerging power of the Taliban. He also demonstrates how Afghanistan became a deadly playing field for international politics where Soviet, Pakistani, and U.S. agents armed and trained a succession of warring factions. At the same time, the book, though opinionated, is not solely a critique of the agency. Coll balances accounts of CIA failures with the success stories, like the capture of Mir Amal Kasi. Coll, managing editor for the Washington Post, covered Afghanistan from 1989 to 1992. He demonstrates unprecedented access to records of White House meetings and to formerly classified material, and his command of Saudi, Pakistani, and Afghani politics is impressive. He also provides a seeming insider's perspective on personalities like George Tenet, William Casey, and anti-terrorism czar, Richard Clarke ("who seemed to wield enormous power precisely because hardly anyone knew who he was or what exactly he did for a living"). Coll manages to weave his research into a narrative that sometimes has the feel of a Tom Clancy novel yet never crosses into excess.