Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by akalepos
Jefferson, Madison, and the others warned about the corruption and it's influences, and suggested remedies and things to watch out for. We
simply have not taken proper heed.
The problem is manifold and one can't really point their finger at just one thing ans say that it is the problem.
Yes, the problem is manifold and if one was to point a finger at the culprit it would probably be that we, the people,have been so carefully
groomed and educated to always look to the Madisons and Jeffersons of the country's beginnings rather than listening to the people who made things
and did things and built things and who got very little credit for their efforts.
That's why anything that goes wrong today falls at the current administration's feet, its all we know how to do. It was the same back in Madison's
day but the people weren't given much of an opportunity to write the "official" story, their stories are buried at the bottom of a deep pile
Under all the hooey you'll find statements like "JOHN HUMBLE's," which was published in the Independent Gazetteer, October 29, 1787:
Now we the low born, that is, all the people of the United States, except 600 thereabouts, well born, do by this our humble address, declare and
most solemnly engage, that we will allow and admit the said 600 well born, immediately to establish and confirm this most noble, most excellent and
truly divine constitution. And we further declare that without any equivocation or mental reservation whatever we will support and maintain the same
according to the best of our power, and after the manner and custom of all other slaves in foreign countries, namely by the sweat and toil of our
body. Nor will we at any future period of time ever attempt to complain of this our royal government, let the consequences be what they may.
And still today, when we talk about "us", the lowborn, we tend to frame our discussions around "them", the highborn. Why is that?
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It seems to me to be too easy to manipulate the masses. I would say also that they have been DIS educated to some extent.
The latest thing about the airport stuff really bothers me.
Whereas at first everyone was disturbed about the searches and such, NOW they seem to be fully mindwashed. People are ACTUALLY saying that the
airlines should NOT slack off on the little things they are talking about now. (small pen knives, golf clubs, things of that nature.) Those things
have always been trivial matters and were stupidly banned IMO but now the hypnotised chickens are scared of these things.
It only strengthens Socrates' suggestion that we should never consult public opinion (paraphased).
I am one of those people who think that any sort of Utopia would be impossible simply because of human "nature" itself.
ALL of the fault and blame does fall squarely on "US". Sure those guys are corrupt, but WE let them sneak by us.
To answer your last question, I think jealousy is the motivator. Who would NOT want to be wealthy enough to never have to worry about anything
As John Locke would ask though, how much is enough? Where is the line crossed where your compilation of wealth reaches the point where it is truly
He complains of unequal talents and the corruption of those that can basically snatch everything up just because they can.
He thought that the ability to scoop up the money DOES lead to inequity as people gather up more than is truly needed. This was NOT in a share the
wealth sort of idea, but rather a more ethical one.
But under that he thought that an individuals first duty was to preserve himself first and then secondly, mankind in general. So he thought that one
ought not gather up more than would be a proper share. He was thinking about harms against "mankind in general" I think he had a point. Just
because YOU ARE ABLE to suck up all the money in the world, should you? He would say no.
I don't know... what can you buy with billions that you can't buy with millions, as still live within a rational/reasonable framework?
Don't give me that crap about "what is reasonable?" you full well know what that is. I don't think that I am playing word games and I don't
think I'll respond well to them.
I think that there IS a distinction between good and bad people and it just is Prima Facie obvious. I think it is pure foolishness to pretend other
Those types of discussions that try to fuzz out the distinction merely show how the truly evil only try to legitimize their own evil actions to make
excuse for themselves.