Vatican 3 council immediately after the papal election

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posted on Mar, 10 2013 @ 12:44 AM
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With so much turmoil within the very core of the Catholic church, accusations of various groups in modernism, or outdated practices, or outright sinful behavior of the ranks themselves, a radical change is needed as soon as the new pope is elected.

I suggest the next pope whoever he might be, will call for Vatican-3 council on Day 1 of his papacy (although the prep for such an event will take a year at least).

We may wonder of conspiracy forever which group stays behind which candidate, such as Brazilian, American, African or Asian. We may wonder what role the Jesuits have for example, working on the shadow side without public knowledge, or what is the more modern but equally secret role of Opus Dei, or any other powerful society. We may build up hypothesis after hypothesis. And ultimately we might be wrong. I might be wrong and I am not ashamed to declare it.

What matters at the end of the day, is what he Catholic church publicly declares as belief system and practice. And that is decided on no lower level than on the Church councils. The ill fated dogma of infallibility on Vatican-1 was drastically interpreted on Vatican-2 to include all the bishops. Because with such a new dogma never accepted by the rest of the churches, very difficult one can walk a step towards re-unification. The rule of one man as being a sole representative of the Lord Jesus on earth has come to an end. It is absurd to claim that today. Especially in the presence of a dozen of other churches with no less apostolic validity. And millions people who can read the Gospel no worse than the preachers. And see the Gospel and the preachers contradict each other quite often.

What is your intake on Vatican-3 idea and all of that? Thank you in advance for the time spent!




posted on Mar, 10 2013 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by 2012newstart
With so much turmoil within the very core of the Catholic church, accusations of various groups in modernism, or outdated practices, or outright sinful behavior of the ranks themselves, a radical change is needed as soon as the new pope is elected.

I suggest the next pope whoever he might be, will call for Vatican-3 council on Day 1 of his papacy (although the prep for such an event will take a year at least).

We may wonder of conspiracy forever which group stays behind which candidate, such as Brazilian, American, African or Asian. We may wonder what role the Jesuits have for example, working on the shadow side without public knowledge, or what is the more modern but equally secret role of Opus Dei, or any other powerful society. We may build up hypothesis after hypothesis. And ultimately we might be wrong. I might be wrong and I am not ashamed to declare it.

I don't think it matters. Religion is a bastion of a mentality from a long a ago era. Religion is for weak minded people. Even Vatican I was never finished because of Italian political/geographical affairs. Almost all important Vatican II players all became pope. Hmm?
The only interesting thing from a Vatican III council would only show who would be the next best candidates for the next pope elects.

Cheers
What matters at the end of the day, is what he Catholic church publicly declares as belief system and practice. And that is decided on no lower level than on the Church councils. The ill fated dogma of infallibility on Vatican-1 was drastically interpreted on Vatican-2 to include all the bishops. Because with such a new dogma never accepted by the rest of the churches, very difficult one can walk a step towards re-unification. The rule of one man as being a sole representative of the Lord Jesus on earth has come to an end. It is absurd to claim that today. Especially in the presence of a dozen of other churches with no less apostolic validity. And millions people who can read the Gospel no worse than the preachers. And see the Gospel and the preachers contradict each other quite often.

What is your intake on Vatican-3 idea and all of that? Thank you in advance for the time spent!



posted on Mar, 10 2013 @ 01:04 AM
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In the area of conspiracy, did card. Ratzinger take any promise when he was elected in flash election, to resign at turning 80? When he was elected at 78 everyone expected a short papacy. He started speaking of possible resignation later in 2010, but prolonged it until 2013.

Now we know of a deal about card.Sherer if he is elected to appoint secretary of state Italian or Italian-Argentinian from the Curia. So the deals are not only possible, they are announced before our eyes on the media.

John 23 took similar deal and appointed the promised sec.of state the same evening he was elected pope.

Why not the pope-elect to make a promise to call Vatican-3 if elected? In that case it will matter less the personality, if he is Sherer, American, or another one. Seems the pre-set deals in the Vatican are nothing new, only we know of them just now thanks to the worldwide coverage of media. Something unthinkable in 1978 when the Polish pope was elected. And how was he elected, how was it possible? Any deal behind scene, as of promoting the Polish Solidarity and Democracy in Socialist countries at that time? I don't believe the Polish cardinal was elected only because he was devote Polish from a Socialist country, while leaning on his self-initiative and sanctity. The cardinals knew who and why they elevate to Petrus' see in advance.

Vatican 3 as a deal? In that way the big problems of the catholic church will be decided by the congregation of worldwide bishops, and not by one or few old men inside the Vatican walls.
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posted on Mar, 10 2013 @ 03:32 AM
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The Roma Church does not represent your religion. Just ignore those child molesters because they will only pave your path to destruction. You don't need people like that representing you. They are a corrupt political puppet now and should not be followed. They were corrupt when they killed Jesus and they were corrupt when they made him a demi god. These people are Satan... Jesus is your prophet and all you need to do is follow his message, not the message of Idols.
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posted on Mar, 12 2013 @ 03:30 AM
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A bishop for pope is may be the best choice, not a cardinal. A bishop who will call the other bishops worldwide (also Orthodox and others) to get the work done. Enough of intrigues behind closed doors. The price for that is paid by all common people. It reflects into economy, politics everything. Remember what happened after JPII was elected. One does not need to be catholic to worry what could possibly produce a wrong election. The talks of Babylon the great and the antichrist false prophet are just everywhere. The cardinals should pay attention of what the world thinks of all that. If they don't want to see themselves right into the middle of prophecies.



posted on Mar, 12 2013 @ 03:47 AM
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Did the church fathers in 1,2,3 centuries know of authentic texts that Jesus was married? There are more than one texts, and now all are called fake.

Did the church fathers knew of other texts showing other side of Jesus? Such as Secret Gospel of Mark parts written by Clement of Alexandria in 2nd century in a letter? I will not post it here because I don't want to shift anyone's personal views on the matter.

Is it possible completely new texts to emerge from the Dead sea scrolls? Why are not published decades after discovery?

Those issues do matter. They are relevant to determine the church policy on everyday issues, such as marriage and sex. And they concern many more people than only the catholics.

Will the next pope be the false prophet and are we in that time? I hope not. But I have the sense that we are approaching 2 Peter event of fire burning of all earth, that seems quite different from the Second Coming. Peter said we would be taken to new earth.
Any comments by the holy leaders? If they cannot answer, or answer only with well known phrases, or ban every new text as fake, then the chance to get the truth from their mouths is slim. Then the protestants' end time scenarios look more realistic, although they might not be quite true.





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