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posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 12:45 AM
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This says it all.

Please except my appologizes I was editing a link and the server stopped responding when it started again the edit was the only thing left.

I found these clips and I could think only one thing, These Bush name all over them, and sadly if we re-elect him after this we will have our names on these to .....Think about it, These are crimes against God, Man kind and society do you want the blood on your hands like it is on Bush's. Please save the USA, Iraq, and the world STOP THE CRIMES guised in the justifications of the pursuit of WMD's. God for give us all if we left him stay in office cause its going to get worse and IRAN BUSH SAYS YOUR NEXT.

If Kerry gets elected the result would be the bottom link , just substitute
the United States for Franch and Hitler for the Terrorist, Iraq militants etc.
I think his inability to stick to one path proves that he can be presuaded to change his mind easy if he is prodded just right. I believe if he was confronted by the terrorists and they made a good enough case this could happen, however I'm not saying it will. It's food for thought.

More than likely it doesnt read the same now but I tryed

BUSH IS A CRIMINAL!!!!


WHO LIED NOT ME?

Bush my man?

BUSH GUILTY!

BUSH LIES CAUSED?

CRIMES? WHO ME?

I DIDN"T KNOW?

Mr Kerry if you flip flop on simple stuff why shouldnt you do it on something that matter. NOTE for viewers substitute France for Kerry and Germany for Terrorists.

I GIVE UP!





[edit on 2/11/2004 by drbryankkruta]

[edit on 2/11/2004 by drbryankkruta]




posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 12:58 AM
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Well it didnt change my mind, I could just as easliy shown you a video of saddam's torture, suicide bombings that he paid for, and on and on.....yet the United States DID try and minimize causulties on the civilian side.

War is hell and is NEVER pretty and cosmetic.....but it is sometimes nessesary.


As for the never forgive.......well that says it all, the concpet of foregiveness elludes the maker of this film. I wish I had not watched it because it was so one-sided.



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 01:15 AM
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Nice find.

As for edsingers 'Pro-Bush' antics. I'm really not sure, I cant condemn him although I do not agree with him.



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 01:19 AM
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im at a loss for words, all i know is that saddam kills and tortures the blood is on his hands, we have become thoroughly drenched. blood stains are hard to get off.



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by Simulacra
Nice find.

As for edsingers 'Pro-Bush' antics. I'm really not sure, I cant condemn him although I do not agree with him.



Thank you, ooohhhh edsingers okay me and him tiff like this all the time, hes cool I just take it, and when its his turn he does the same . I actually have another thread I did where we where in sinc ......so edsinger is okay by me

[edit on 1/11/2004 by drbryankkruta]



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by sturod84
im at a loss for words, all i know is that saddam kills and tortures the blood is on his hands, we have become thoroughly drenched. blood stains are hard to get off.



Unfortunes that our children will have to sadly bear the marks of , thats what makes me so mad, yet more innocents claimed by this crap and a bullet was never fired and bomb never dropped, and our kinds didnt volunteer to go to this war, but victims all the same.



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 06:24 PM
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edsinger:

Well it didnt change my mind, I could just as easliy shown you a video of saddam's torture, suicide bombings that he paid for, and on and on.....yet the United States DID try and minimize causulties on the civilian side.

War is hell and is NEVER pretty and cosmetic.....but it is sometimes nessesary.


www.msnbc.msn.com...


Study: 100,000 Iraqis died in war, aftermath
Science journal say coalition caused majority of violent deathsThe Associated Press
Updated: 11:48 a.m. ET Oct. 28, 2004

LONDON - A survey of deaths in Iraqi households estimates that as many as 100,000 more people may have died throughout the country in the 18 months after the U.S. invasion than would be expected based on the death rate before the war.

There is no official figure for the number of Iraqis killed since the conflict began, but some non-governmental estimates range from 10,000 to 30,000. As of Wednesday, 1,081 U.S. servicemen had been killed, according to the U.S. Defense Department.

The researchers of The Lancet report concede that the data they based their projections on were of limited precision, because the quality of the information depends on the accuracy of the household interviews used for the study. The interviewers were Iraqi, most of them doctors.

The study, conducted by researchers at Johns Hopkins University, Columbia University and the Al-Mustansiriya University in Baghdad, is being published Thursday on the Web site of The Lancet medical journal.

The survey indicated violence accounted for most of the extra deaths seen since the invasion, and air strikes from coalition forces caused most of the violent deaths, the researchers wrote in the British-based journal.

Most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children, they said.


Let's talk precision bombing. Let's talk about bombing civilian targets.

Do you want to find me a study that shows that Saddam killed 100,000 of his own people in an 18 month period? Do you really want to compare the United States Army with a brutal dictator and see how close you come to his capacity for murder?

Saddam was a bad, bad man, and he killed a lot of innocent people in his attempts to stay in power for 30 years. Since 1991 he's been practically disarmed, and lost control of most of the northern and southern regions of Iraq due to No Fly Zones imposed by the US and UK.

How you can even THINK to compare what he did in his 30 year megalomaniacal reign to what has happened in Iraq over the last year and a half is ludicrous. Your Army is doing this under the guise of "liberating Iraqis", and you've sadly fell for that, hook line and sinker.



jako



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 06:25 PM
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MMM double posts.



[edit on 1-11-2004 by Jakomo]



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 07:19 PM
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Jakomo

While sometimes edsinger's views are skewed from the norm, I have to say he has sorta a point. Two wrong's dont make a right. He simply pointed out the two sided evidence issue and despite the fact I authored the thread with my opinion, I left it open to interpritation so I could here from people like edsinger, and 4 or 5 others I wish to toss the issue with. While everyone is welcome I enjoy and encourage beliefs like his so, maybe I would see a new view . It's how I like to function when I open a thread.

Now having said edsinger, I will have to say Bush , while having the best intentions and using those intentions for questionable actions. Saddam is not unique and Bush is closing the gap on the kill your own people race.

Bush is just killing them under the guise of war to justify it. Bush is not only sending our people to death over phantom WMD's, but has loosed the dogs of war on people based on a WMD lie. So in effect they are simular in a way. The only difference I see is Saddam did it in his own country. However Bush dont have that luxury, war or military actions on US soil are forbidden by the constitution, so no matter the cause he wouldnt be able to follow that route.

And yes war does have its misfortunes , but misfortunes end and crimes begin when you dont get your facts straight before killing people. And that is part of the point.

Bush cant justify this by minimizing the civilian deaths, any civilian death for an unjust cause is murder in my book and Iraq is an unjust cause partly, because it was started on a lie.

Now Jakomo your side is true also, Saddam is a ruthless power monger who killed for pleasure with is worse but all the same just as unjust as Bush's.


You both are right and both are wrong, no matter how you look at it points of view are not facts, and noone can answer everything without making someone else's view come out, but dont criticize when it happens, share and mix ideas and make one simple truth that is why we are here. OK



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 07:24 PM
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Trickmaster


thanks for fixing the second link I noticed it but got tied up and the board is slow enough that I wished to finish what I was doing first ......again thx for the fix. However now they both lead to the same location but I will have it going to french surrender video i was trying to use. thanks all the same.

[edit on 1/11/2004 by drbryankkruta]



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by drbryankkruta
Trickmaster


thanks for fixing the second link I noticed it but got tied up and the board is slow enough that I wished to finish what I was doing first ......again thx for the fix. However now they both lead to the same location but I will have it going to french surrender video i was trying to use. thanks all the same.

[edit on 1/11/2004 by drbryankkruta]


Crap...it messed up..

Go hear and save and read this

www.defenddemocracy.org...(4).pdf


Goto this thread for a preview

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 1-11-2004 by edsinger]



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by edsinger

Originally posted by drbryankkruta
Trickmaster


thanks for fixing the second link I noticed it but got tied up and the board is slow enough that I wished to finish what I was doing first ......again thx for the fix. However now they both lead to the same location but I will have it going to french surrender video i was trying to use. thanks all the same.

[edit on 1/11/2004 by drbryankkruta]



OK? I can go to that ???????

Crap...it messed up..

Go hear and save and read this

www.defenddemocracy.org...(4).pdf


Goto this thread for a preview

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 1-11-2004 by edsinger]



posted on Nov, 1 2004 @ 11:50 PM
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Okay everyone I think I got it fixed, for those who saw it the first time, sorry its not the same but I did try to improve it for you to say sorry.
Thanks for your patients.



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 12:47 AM
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That's screwed. And for what? Oh ya, that's right, the WMD that we never found because they were not there.

All those kids man. Granted, many many adults wasted too, but kids .... hurts :=[

I think Bush should be made to watch these, especially "BUSH LIES CAUSED?"; THAT'S the one that got me. The man is such a total fu*ktard. Ya ya, "the men" will be at ATS server box by morning wanting my IP. I give a damn - freedom of speech ....oh, crap - that went too did'nt it.

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Originally posted by edsinger
Well it didnt change my mind, I could just as easliy shown you a video of saddam's torture, suicide bombings that he paid for, and on and on.....yet the United States DID try and minimize causulties on the civilian side.

That he (Saddam) paid for? HE PAID FOR ???


Originally posted by edsinger
War is hell and is NEVER pretty and cosmetic.....but it is sometimes nessesary.

Wasting kids is NEVER NECESSARY !!!! Especially when not justified, false pretenses, LIES - whatever the hell you want to call it.


Originally posted by edsinger
I wish I had not watched it because it was so one-sided.

So are you edsinger......so are you.

======================

Misfit



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 01:05 AM
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Misfit or anyone I dont want this to be strictly political because most wont take it serious so if you would all of you spread the word. Go to thread

Can You Live With The Future!!!!! Our kids have to!!!

OR CLICK HERE

THIS IS THE TRUE REASON FOR MY FURTHER RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!

[edit on 2/11/2004 by drbryankkruta]



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 01:22 AM
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What else is it supposed to be? Taking the context of the films, they are all based on a political basis.

As in your initial post:

...."and sadly if we re-elect him after this".....
...."God for give us all if we left him stay in office".....

This whole thread so far, minus maybe 2 non-political, and a few drivels, has been political.

What else are you wanting it to be? Atrocities of war? Everyone knows that aspect. That was not your pretext of the thread, nor was there anything OTHER than politics in your starting post.

Misfit



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 01:38 AM
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Well those clips have thoroughly made me numb.

I can only hope that the faith I have in the American people will be in tact after tomorrow, and even at that, knowing that 50% want this man back in power truly tests that faith.

I've never felt so ashamed of mankind.



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
I've never felt so ashamed of mankind.


Heard that - hence my signature.

Misfit



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 01:50 AM
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somewhereinetween and misfit


Do you think this of my other link will do any good



posted on Nov, 2 2004 @ 01:58 AM
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I think the concept is relevant, but the context of the clips is still political, being the anti-Bush deal.

If they were purely of atrocity then all would be well - but then, that disolves the relevancy of "do we want more", that being - "no Bush"

No matter how one looks at it, it is heavy of a political nature, using war under false pretense to slander one of two candidates ............ politics.

imo

Misfit



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