Gabby Giffords Husband Espied Purchasing an AR 15, page 9

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reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 07:46 AM by rickymouse

like others of his standing, they want others to be restricted from buying guns but not themselves. With his line of work and his wives former job, they would never be restricted from having a gun.

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 08:07 AM by MadreMia

Originally posted by POXUSA

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
So, you are a staunch 2nd amendement person but want to restrict ownership to those you agree with eh? Sounds anti-2nd amendment to me. Afterall, a gun is a gun. Guns don't kill people and guns don't make political statements. CJ

Many gun-shop owners recognize in 'Liberals' a clear and present danger to society and to otherwise ordinary common sense Americans who uphold the gun laws of these United States. There are literally hundreds of gun shop owners like this all over America..........thank God for right thinking Americans.

'Arizona Gun Store Tells Obama Voters to ‘Turn Around and Leave’ You're Not Welcome Here...........'

An Arizona gun store has a simple message for Barack Obama voters: you’re not welcome here. The Blaze, The Southwest Shooting Authority in Pinetop, Ariz. posted a sign on its door and took out a newspaper ad declaring that if you voted for the president last week, you’re not allowed in. “If you voted for Obama, please turn around and leave! You have proven that you are not responsible enough to own a firearm!” the sign states.

Owner Cope Reynolds conceded that he can’t really tell who voted for Obama unless they “own up to it” — but if they do, they’re out.…

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Texas Gun Store Bans Socialists & Obama Supporters in Radio Ad: “You Have Already Proven You Cannot Make a Knowledgeable & Prudent Decision Under the Law” (Video)

A Texas gun trainer released an ad this week for his handgun training class. He bans liberals from the class saying:

“If you are a socialist liberal and/or voted for the current campaigner in chief, please do not take this class. You have already proven that you cannot make a knowledgeable and prudent decision under the law.”

Agreed.
The ad also bans non-Christian Arabs and Muslims from taking the class.

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Right on the money - I joined just to thank you for standing up to the wannabe debunkers.

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 09:49 AM by coltcall

reply to post by POXUSA

Ammo is expensive and in many places in short supply.

Why waste ammo teaching the useless how to use ammo? That's a rhetorical question.

This isn't a penny arcade where socialists come to plink at little metal duckies.

Besides, The loud sounds might hurt their eyes and singe their eyebrows. Socialists, stay home on your couch and remain safe. Don't get in the way of real progress.

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 09:52 AM by coltcall

Mark Kelly has been dubbed with the nickname of 'The Assault Astronaut.'

His cheap stunt is backfiring on him. I feel sorry for his wife who ends up taking the brunt of the laughter from her husband's insensitivity.

He purchased a .45 caliber handgun. Then he wanted to prove he could purchase an AR 15? Duh!!

Okay. The background check system worked. Everyone in the world now knows what a dolt Mark Kelly has become.

Cheap publicity stunts are really cheap in light of Mark Kelly wanting to make points for what he perceives as his future political career.

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 09:53 AM by solomons path

Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by coltcall
The Tucson gun shop owner issued a statement that had he known Mark Kelly was purchasing the AR 15 to make a political statement, he would have refused to sell the AR to Mark Kelly.

The gun shop owner stated that he does not sell guns for political commentary.

That's interesting. An American denied his right to buy a gun because someone doesn't like what he's going to do with it, even while being totally legal. Did he say what other personal reasons he has for denying people the right to buy? Skin color? Political affiliation?

CJ

Well, he's a liberal. Maybe the gun dealer didn't feel he would be mentally stable? That's reason alone to deny a person a gun isn't it?

So, you are a staunch 2nd amendement person but want to restrict ownership to those you agree with eh? Sounds anti-2nd amendment to me. Afterall, a gun is a gun. Guns don't kill people and guns don't make political statements.

CJ

You are missing the point or being intentionally obtuse . . . in fact, I think you are playing ignorant in an attempt to bait others. It may work on some, but it is painfully obvious by your past posts in this thread.

Kelly isn't being denied his rights under the 2nd amendment. He is still free to own any firearm he likes, regardless of what he then uses them for (political or otherwise). He would simply not be allowed to shop there for using their store as a pawn in his political agenda. That's the right of the business owner to decide if his store is involved in Mark Kelley's crusade. Kelly doesn't have a "right" to mislead or publicize someone that doesn't wish to be. The business owner also has right to refuse to do business, for any reason, to anyone he chooses.

You are not as clever as you think you are . . .

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 10:04 AM by solomons path

reply to post by POXUSA

The part about non-Christian Arabs and Muslims might actually border on illegal . . . not the fact that he won't, as he has a right to refuse service to anyone. However, the fact that he openly states so in the ad . . .

It's that kind of bigotry that easily let's the current propagandists garner support for their cause and easily paint gun owners as "crazy racist extremists". Some people should be much smarter about opening their mouths.

I wouldn't give the company the time of day, if I was a past patron. And, I would make sure they know why.

However, having relatives in Texas and knowing the culture . . . I know he wouldn't care much anyway.

As for the Arizona store . . . Most shops and smiths have a sign up that basically says that; however, I only know a single smith that actually asks everybody when they come in.

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reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 10:59 AM by coltcall

What was Mark Kelly going to do if the gun store owner refused to sell him the AR?

Run to the media screaming, "He wouldn't sell me an assault rifle?

Like Mark Kelly doesn't already look silly enough?

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 04:04 PM by POXUSA

Originally posted by coltcall
Mark Kelly has been dubbed with the nickname of 'The Assault Astronaut.' His cheap stunt is backfiring on him. I feel sorry for his wife who ends up taking the brunt of the laughter from her husband's insensitivity. He purchased a .45 caliber handgun. Then he wanted to prove he could purchase an AR 15? Duh!! Okay. The background check system worked. Everyone in the world now knows what a dolt Mark Kelly has become. Cheap publicity stunts are really cheap in light of Mark Kelly wanting to make points for what he perceives as his future political career.

I understand the way in which you are interpreting the Mark Kelly 'gun scam' - but I don't believe a word of what he say's, because he's a low level thinker, which is not unusual for a NASA agent who happens to use "astronaut" as his cover. Mark (duhh) Kelly got caught with his pants down and he's lying through his teeth about the purchase(s). Plain and simple - he wanted the weapon - he bought the weapon - he didn't realize that he was being monitored (aren't we all?) - he got caught and now he's lying about it. What's so unusual about that? Nothing is unusual about that in this day and age - He probably takes his cue from Obama.

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 08:07 PM by ColoradoJens

reply to post by solomons path

So if a very wealthy buisnessman decides to buy all the gun stores in a particular area, say a state, and says only democrats can buy guns you are ok with it? It isn't like buying clothes or food.

CJ

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 08:29 PM by Carreau

The problem with his story is he chose to buy a used AR15 which by AZ law requires a 20 day waiting period to confirm if the gun has ever been used in a crime. He could have bought a brand new AR15 and walked out of the store with it that day after a background check. There by proving his so called point of how easy it is to acquire this type of weapon. But he didn't, he chose the more complex and longer route to owning a AR15, although cheaper since it was a used weapon and not new.

So his hasty story doesn't fit the facts and I love the twisting anti-gun nuts go to trying to validate the made up story of his "proving a point". In fact all he proved was it is harder to purchase a AR15 the way he chose to than is reported in the media.

Look I shop in Diamondback Supply and know the guys who work there. When he walked into that shop and bought the firearms everyone knew who he was and it was bound to get out what he purchased. It went public and he tried to cover his ass, that's the bottom line. He wasn't proving a point he was buying firearms but doing so doesn't fit the meme he has wrapped himself in and he has egg on his face.

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 08:35 PM by coltcall

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by solomons path

So if a very wealthy buisnessman decides to buy all the gun stores in a particular area, say a state, and says only democrats can buy guns you are ok with it? It isn't like buying clothes or food.

CJ

So, change your party affiliation to Democrat and buy all the guns you need? Like it makes that big a difference what your voter registration card says when you need a gun?

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 08:52 PM by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by coltcall

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by solomons path

So if a very wealthy buisnessman decides to buy all the gun stores in a particular area, say a state, and says only democrats can buy guns you are ok with it? It isn't like buying clothes or food.

CJ

So, change your party affiliation to Democrat and buy all the guns you need? Like it makes that big a difference what your voter registration card says when you need a gun?

Apparently. If someone can claim reasons why they don't want to sell you one.

CJ

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 09:08 PM by timetothink

reply to post by ColoradoJens

He owns the company, he can do what he wants, sell to who he wants.....period.

That's freedom.

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 09:11 PM by timetothink

reply to post by Mike.Ockizard

How is what I said a non issue?

Because it is contrary to want you want to believe?

Gabby and her husband own guns.......hypocrites.

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 09:19 PM by timetothink

reply to post by blamethegreys

Um...I think I'm on the same side as you?

Ie....they are hypocrites.

And they were/are gun owners already.

gabby was a republican, she switched just to win her seat. Hypocrites all the way.

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 09:25 PM by solomons path

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by solomons path

So if a very wealthy buisnessman decides to buy all the gun stores in a particular area, say a state, and says only democrats can buy guns you are ok with it? It isn't like buying clothes or food.

CJ

If that business owner wants to do that . . . go right ahead. However, it would take someone to sell those businesses to him. Maybe some wouldn't. And if he did, what is stopping anyone else from opening a Repub only store. Plus, judging by the response of most Dems to this issue . . . he would be out of business real quick, as he would have no customers. However, the owner can do whatever he wants . . . his prerogative. Private business owners are free to operate how they choose.

Again . . . are you intentionally being obtuse or do you not know how the market place works?

Clothes and food . . . ? No . . . it's not like that at all. But, by all means any more hyperbole filled hypotheticals you want to throw out there?

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reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 10:04 PM by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by ColoradoJens

He owns the company, he can do what he wants, sell to who he wants.....period.

That's freedom.

So you'd say the free market trumps the ability to buy a gun? Well then it is possible to stop the 2nd amendment - at least here in the US.

CJ

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 10:12 PM by Carreau

reply to post by ColoradoJens

If you knew anything about "free-markets" you would understand that without Gov interference there would be a natural supply and demand and that the 2nd Amendment would most certainly not be denied.

When you address the points I made about the AR15 purchase you might be taken seriously in this thread. Otherwise you are just bobbing and weaving.

reply posted on 14-3-2013 @ 10:18 PM by solomons path

Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by ColoradoJens

He owns the company, he can do what he wants, sell to who he wants.....period.

That's freedom.

So you'd say the free market trumps the ability to buy a gun? Well then it is possible to stop the 2nd amendment - at least here in the US.

CJ

Do you even understand the concept of the Bill or Rights? It is a restriction on the type of laws the federal government can institute. That is all. However, if a state wants to pass a law restricting this action, they can . . . It's why gun restrictions and licensing policies differ from state to state. There is no infringement to a business owner denying business to somebody, as the Federal gov isn't taking that away. Nobody has the right make anyone do something they don't want to . . . i.e. the business owner. If you are denied purchasing a firearm from one store go to another. If there aren't any in your immediate area, then you have to drive to the next town. Same as if you wanted to specifically shop at a Target or Walmart, but the closest one was 100 miles away. The citizen is restricting themselves if they choose not to . . . not the government. You could also buy a firearm off of the internet and have it shipped to the nearest FFL holder to verify your info and do the NICS check.

All of your arguments are complete hyperbole and I'm not sure what you are getting at . . . He didn't say the free market trumped anything. Private business owners don't issue your rights. Private citizens don't have a right to make a private business owner do their bidding, if the business owner choose not to do business with them.

What is you actual point? Do you understand the nature of the rights we enjoy in this country? You seem to have a very deep victim mentality and think you are entitled to get what you want in the manner you choose . . . that's not what rights are or how the world works.

reply posted on 15-3-2013 @ 11:12 AM by coltcall

Mark Kelly proved that the background check system works....cause now everyone in the world knows about his stupid publicity stunt.

The gun store owner said that had he known Mark Kelly was this stupid, he wouldn't have sold him the gun.

Now I hear the Tucson police don't want the AR. They don't want to be part of the stupid publicity stunt. Mark Kelly is trying to find some other organization to donate the AR. Maybe the Salvation Army?