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I disagree with your idea of controls being necessary to maintain that balance.
#4....I disagree. What if said person become financially comfortable later in life, through hard work and maybe even a stroke of luck? Does the experiences they had while not so financially comfortable not count for something?
#6....Animals only do "infringe" on the "rights" of other animals (and, at time, humans) for the purpose of survival. That is all together different. The same can be said for humans not living by such a "code".....Starve them long enough, give dignity and "pride" enough time to disappear from their mindset and watch what they do. Don't most humans try to impose their will on others now?...In some way, shape, or form? Think long and hard about that one...
#7.....IF that is the case, we are doing a very piss poor job overall!
#9....Doesn't that make nature "God"......I suppose a better response would be: Describe what the word "God" means to you.....my response would be based on your response to that query.
#10....To an extent I agree. A certain degree of control is needed to maintain balance. Have we as human beings learned what it takes to "maintain balance"? We are seemingly yet to.
What would happen during an unstable period? Would that make the universe disappear? It would more than likely still survive.....In that case, what is "unstable"?
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by Jakal26
I agree with your example. I meant more of people born inheriting wealth which has protected them from ever having direct exposure to the real world.
In that case, I would say that even their ideals about what "freedom" and "survival" mean are still relevant. They are relevant even to "average" person who has to struggle and toil just to make ends meet.
What I am trying to say (without getting too "wordy", which I am infamous for) is what I hit on earlier about survival not being only about the physical aspects we generally think of. Survival is a mental game as well. For those born into wealth their world is very "real" to them as well. Many times they have no actual "real world" (blue collar job) skills....many times they have no real skills at all. They are often very horrible with money and when those supplying the money die or cut the younger off they blow much of that money very quickly. They must "fit in" to their world just as many of us, to one degree or another, must "fit it" to ours or else they will be starving on the streets with the "average" man that can't pay his bills and provide his own food. They are many times consumed by trying to "fit in".....so are the "average" joes....Is that not a form of slavery? Is that "freedom".....That can be all consuming.
My point isn't to bring up a million different what ifs....I'll just shut up with them. I would know nothing of "that world" that the wealthy with millions lives in. I am barely hanging on by a thread most of the time (though I like it that way and I help many people so that is what counts to me...and if I need them I know I have something to 'fall back" on because of what I have done for them)
My point is that all views about survival and freedom should be seen as relevant. All information, even from sources we sometimes cannot directly identify with, is valuable to gain a full assessment about a given topic....
You never know, one might learn more from someone in a completely different position in life than from 20 that live and struggle in the same way the one wishing to learn.
Everyone struggles in some way, shape, or form. None of that is irrelevant.
Many will claim those from wealth have nothing to complain about but I don't always necessarily see it that way. Some people just like to hate others out of jealousy or envy or just because they have to find something or someone to be the "bad guy".....I tend to try not to do that personally. (Not saying you were either btw)
Just my opinion....
Animals control system is for the purpose of survival. Humans for survival and also fulfilling desires/wants. Nature has made man to enhance Natures control system. Only humans have access to the advanced control abilities that allows humans to pursing desires and wants. This is the perfect example of an enhancment to Natures control system being carried out.
by whose measure human or Natures?
Gods a human idea and humans cant interact physically with God, beyond just thinking about the idea of God. Humans deal directly with the world around them which is Nature.
The fact the universe isnt dissapearing on us indicates its control system regulating balance to propogate existance is perfect.
In that case, I would say that even their ideals about what "freedom" and "survival" mean are still relevant. They are relevant even to "average" person who has to struggle and toil just to make ends meet.
What I am trying to say (without getting too "wordy", which I am infamous for) is what I hit on earlier about survival not being only about the physical aspects we generally think of. Survival is a mental game as well. For those born into wealth their world is very "real" to them as well. Many times they have no actual "real world" (blue collar job) skills....many times they have no real skills at all. They are often very horrible with money and when those supplying the money die or cut the younger off they blow much of that money very quickly. They must "fit in" to their world just as many of us, to one degree or another, must "fit it" to ours or else they will be starving on the streets with the "average" man that can't pay his bills and provide his own food. They are many times consumed by trying to "fit in".....so are the "average" joes....Is that not a form of slavery? Is that "freedom".....That can be all consuming.
My point isn't to bring up a million different what ifs....I'll just shut up with them. I would know nothing of "that world" that the wealthy with millions lives in. I am barely hanging on by a thread most of the time
Many will claim those from wealth have nothing to complain about but I don't always necessarily see it that way.
Some people just like to hate others out of jealousy or envy or just because they have to find something or someone to be the "bad guy".....I tend to try not to do that personally
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
"Nature" can be summed up in seven laws
THE PRINCIPLE OF MENTALISM. - “THE ALL is MIND; The Universe is Mental.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF CORRESPONDENCE - “As above, so below; as below, so above.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF VIBRATION. - “Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF POLARITY. - “Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF RHYTHM. - “Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF CAUSE AND EFFECT - “Every Cause has its Effect; every Effect has its Cause; everything happens according to Law; Chance is but a name for Law not recognized; there are many planes of causation, but nothing escapes the Law.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF GENDER - “Gender is in everything; everything has its Masculine and Feminine Principles; Gender manifests on all planes.”
~ The Kybalion
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
"Nature" can be summed up in seven laws
THE PRINCIPLE OF MENTALISM. - “THE ALL is MIND; The Universe is Mental.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF CORRESPONDENCE - “As above, so below; as below, so above.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF VIBRATION. - “Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF POLARITY. - “Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF RHYTHM. - “Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF CAUSE AND EFFECT - “Every Cause has its Effect; every Effect has its Cause; everything happens according to Law; Chance is but a name for Law not recognized; there are many planes of causation, but nothing escapes the Law.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF GENDER - “Gender is in everything; everything has its Masculine and Feminine Principles; Gender manifests on all planes.”
~ The Kybalion
The Universe is Mental.
Originally posted by ThePhysicalExperience
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
"Nature" can be summed up in seven laws
THE PRINCIPLE OF MENTALISM. - “THE ALL is MIND; The Universe is Mental.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF CORRESPONDENCE - “As above, so below; as below, so above.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF VIBRATION. - “Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF POLARITY. - “Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF RHYTHM. - “Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF CAUSE AND EFFECT - “Every Cause has its Effect; every Effect has its Cause; everything happens according to Law; Chance is but a name for Law not recognized; there are many planes of causation, but nothing escapes the Law.”
THE PRINCIPLE OF GENDER - “Gender is in everything; everything has its Masculine and Feminine Principles; Gender manifests on all planes.”
~ The Kybalion
Thank you for sharing this.