What of Peter "The Stone"? (Prophetic words of Jesus?)

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Akragon

 

I have never said I was an "atheist". I'm a 'seeker'. Not satisfied with any one doctrine, but I believe there is an Ultimate Reality. The universe is way intense, and the more we learn (scientifically), the more (to me) it points to an Original Plan.

Also, my background does not allow for me to dismiss the idea of God.

After all these months upon months, friend, do you still not 'get' me? I thought perhaps we understood one another pretty well.

My dear...

I was not referring to you as "the atheist" It was mearly a general statement...

We are very much on the same wave length... but perhaps you're getting used to people attacking, accusing, and assuming around here... I've noticed as you have that many members lately have become quite high strung and lash out even though its not said persons usual character...even a few senior members

I would not do such things to anyone... especially one who has as much wisdom and insight to share as yourself...

reply to post by Akragon

We are very much on the same wave length... but perhaps you're getting used to people attacking, accusing, and assuming around here... I've noticed as you have that many members lately have become quite high strung and lash out even though its not said persons usual character...

!!
Whew. Thanks, friend.

Yep, I was getting a little defensive, as well as I was getting to the "sit on your hands" point here.
Thanks for the thread.
*chants Ommmmm*

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Akragon

 

We are very much on the same wave length... but perhaps you're getting used to people attacking, accusing, and assuming around here... I've noticed as you have that many members lately have become quite high strung and lash out even though its not said persons usual character...

!!
Whew. Thanks, friend.

Yep, I was getting a little defensive, as well as I was getting to the "sit on your hands" point here.
Thanks for the thread.
*chants Ommmmm*

LoL

Always a pleasure to have you participate in my threads... I just found it rather ironic when you mentioned your dream... And this thought has crossed my mind on many occasions...

Regardless of belief, 99% of the people on the planet will call out to God in the worst times of their life... even so called "athiests"

Funny how we cry for God in the bad times, yet many will not thank him in the best of times...

reply to post by Akragon


Hmm. My cat killed a bird today. She tried to bring it into the house, that's her M.O. She tries to bring her prey into the house so that she can stalk it for days, LOL.

I wonder, did that creature cry out to God?

I'm not an atheist, mind you, but I can't help but wonder if our God, and the mercy that we cry out for isn't a bit of a construct, a sort of spring board for our guilt, self trepidation and fear of the unknown.

That thing that is greater than our achievements, the hope never realized, isn't necessarily the same thing as that guy in the sky who judges our life and sends us to hell. But, it may be a projection of our unrealized self, that is yet to come.

IMHO,

reply to post by windword

Hmm. My cat killed a bird today. She tried to bring it into the house, that's her M.O. She tries to bring her prey into the house so that she can stalk it for days, LOL.

Sounds like a gift to me...

I wonder, did that creature cry out to God?

the better question would be... Is it afraid to die?

Or afraid of pain?

I'm not an atheist, mind you, but I can't help but wonder if our God, and the mercy that we cry out for isn't a bit of a construct, a sort of spring board for our guilt, self trepidation and fear of the unknown.

If one has no belief in God yet cries out to him... Is it really the "unknown"?

reply to post by wildtimes

Every bit of written records about the Ultimate, Thoth, God, Jesus, Mohammed, Allah, Krisha.... every writing that exists were written by men.

Correct. There is one exception though and that is Jesus. Jesus was here to fulfill the word of God. And did.

"Conjured", when Dee used it, was expressing exactly what those who have 'faith' that the 'conjured'
entity they call 'God (et al)' is real, that it's not the invention of men.

They way you write this makes it har to interpret.

It is normal for a non believer to argue that we "conjure" make up the reality of a God. Because we can not physically prove Gods existance in a way that would satisfy the criteria of each non believer. That makes it very easy to argue against a believers faith.

Most believers in God are not very good at arguing the existence of God. Every time i argue the existence of God. Non believer end up saying that "infinite" is not proven to exist. But do we realy need a scientist to prove the existence of infinite?

reply to post by spy66


Thanks for the thoughtful post.
I should make it clear first that I'm not an atheist. I'm not a non-believer in an Ultimate Reality that is called various things by various peoples: Nirvana, Brahma, God, Allah, etc.
They are all "titles" for an abstract that, to me, is self-evident in the world and cosmos and every cell in our beings. We are part of it. We belong to it and can never escape it, but, I believe, we can grasp it ever so weakly.

And in my opinion, science complements the etheral reality. Science is finding ways to DESCRIBE the ultimate reality that is manifested in everything, within, without, and around us, in ways that all -- regardless of being "religious" or not - agree to work toward to find. And they've made astounding progress.

I have never been too good at physics or calculus, but I am currently reading The Elegant Universe which attempts to explain it in a way that makes it accessible to everyone, not just physicists or mathematicians.

If the Ultimate Reality had "feelings", I would think it would be most impressed with that interdisciplinary effort to find ways to "describe" the world that works for everyone (or as nearly as possible):
Co-operation among "specialists"
Openness to new theories, including having one's own theory proven incorrect
Common Understanding as the goal.

Suppose I stop reading after the explanation of "relativity", deciding that explains all?

Then I am willfully ignorant of what else is out there. Perhaps that would be enough; even the scientists admit that, particularly with quantum physics, it's hard to grasp. But at least they're making progress in discovering it.
When they discovered, for example, that they could not (take "gravity" for instance, when Newton freely admitted that all he could do was describe it's products, and not "define" it.), they continued working on it, and now we have an idea of a universe that bends. Invisible, but theoretically sound. Is it the truth? We don't know.

As for the part of "conjured" and "written" - don't you find it ironic that Jesus himself never wrote one single word that we know of?