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Reconciliation is an accomplished fact. It is entirely outside of yourself, and it is simply to be received. There is a new view of living, no longer for self, but for God; to die to self and live to Christ.
No.
If our debts are not posted to our account, it is because someone else has legally assumed them.
The first part of the sentence, "If our debts are not posted to our account," takes care of the "sin debt". It just gets forgotten.
I think the OP is equating sin with debt. Did you miss that?
dirt --> [God makes it into] --> a body
body --> [God gives it a bit of His Spirit/Breath] --> a soul
soul --> [God gives it more Spirit (the Earnest)] --> a justified soul
justified soul --> [God gives it the full Spirit after death & resurrection] --> a Glorified Soul
1glo·ry
noun ˈglȯr-ē
plural glories
Definition of GLORY
1
a : praise, honor, or distinction extended by common consent : renown
"There are hundreds of paths up the mountain, all leading in the same direction, so it doesn't matter which path you take. The only one wasting time is the one who runs around and around the mountain,
telling everyone else that their path is wrong." - Hindu proverb
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by newnature
A father places two cookies before his four year old son. The father says to the boy, "You may eat of this cookie, but you must never eat the other one."
The father leaves the boy alone, and when he returns he finds that his son has eaten both cookies. Now, is it the boy's fault that he ate both cookies, or is it the father's fault because he should have locked the other cookie away? I say it's the father's fault.
God might as well have said to us, "I have made you to be lustful after beautiful men and women, but don't be lustful. I have made you to be greedy, but don't be greedy. I have made you to be envious of your neighbor's goods, but don't be envious." Now, is it man's fault that he is lustful, greedy, and envious, or is it god's fault for giving us these traits in the first place?
I say it's god's fault and he must reconcile himself to us. Remember, he is the one that made us imperfect, and demands that we be perfect. In any other situation of father and son like this, the father would be charged with child abuse.
I just thank gawd that there is no biblical god.edit on 3/10/2013 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)
reply to post by sacgamer25
So are you saying that it is impossible to overcome the desires of our flesh and pursue only love? Sounds like something religion taught you.
reply to post by sacgamer25
Our purpose is that we have been made to overcome, and the pursuit of love is the pursuit of victory over sin.
reply to post by sacgamer25
If a man/woman pursues love, through actions not merely in thought, he/she will find love? Meaning if I give to the poor will they not pour out their blessings on me showing me love?
The bible says Jesus believed in love more than he believed in his own flesh. He gave up his flesh for his belief in love. What would you give up for love? Whatever it is that you would give up in pursuit of love, do it. If you think it you will never find it, if you do it you will always find it.
I know I have not said anything new but here is where faith starts. If you honesty and earnestly pursue love, you will find God. I don't know how else to say it, it is that simple. You can overcome because you always have a choice, choose love.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by jiggerj
We can find something resembling perfection as long we just don't try. Perfection is a complete lack of dissatisfaction, which means that the less you want, the happier you are. So the less perfect you want to be, the happier you are with yourself and life.
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by sacgamer25
The bible says Jesus believed in love more than he believed in his own flesh. He gave up his flesh for his belief in love. What would you give up for love? Whatever it is that you would give up in pursuit of love, do it. If you think it you will never find it, if you do it you will always find it.
Why do the religious not see the insanity in this? To say that Jesus died for love is to say that a man beats his wife to ensure that his favorite baseball team will win. There is no logical connection between the two:
Death - love,
wife beating - team winning.
If Jesus wanted to show love he would have stayed here and shared his love with everyone. If he is god and he wanted to forgive the sins of man, he would have simply decided to start forgiving sin. In no way did his death accomplish this. In fact, his death accomplished nothing that he couldn't have done in a more nonviolent way.
I cannot pursue 100% love because I am all that defines what it is to be human. I love a little bit, hate a little bit, regret a little bit, proud a little bit... I am all that my chemical make-up has determined me to be; we can be nothing more or less.
reply to post by sacgamer25
I have chosen to listen to the only voice of truth, the voice of love.