Parents lose custody of children for a month after innocent bathtime photos developed at Walmart

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
reply to post by BrianFlanders

 

But wouldn't that make you the pervert? I mean seriously. If parents are taking pictures for memories of their life as parents cataloging their children's progress through life...and you happen to come upon them and see something sexual...

Doesn't that make YOU the pervert?

I'm just wondering, where is the line drawn?

Peace,
Cirque

I would give you 100 stars if I could.

As beauty is in the eye of the beholder so is seeing things that are not there.

Anyone who can look at a simple bathtime pic of children and see something sexual have major problems themselves. There are a few in this discussion!

Children have not lossed their innocence, troubled adults keep trying to take it away. Some countries have a bigger % of these troubled souls than others. The naked human form is a thing of beauty. To mentally equate nakedness with sexuality is a perversion.

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They'll be lucky to come out of this with any money at all.

Walmart is massive, they'll drag them out in court forever. Their own legal fees will continue to mount, and eventually they'll be forced to settle for next to nothing. After their legal fees are paid, they'll be lucky to walk out of this with any money at all.

Sad, but it's how Walmart operates. They get sued all the time, and tying people up in litigation for months/years is what they do.

ETA: Who the hell uses cameras that need to have film developed these days anyway? Photo quality printing at home is surprisingly affordable with digital photographs.

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
reply to post by BrianFlanders

 

But wouldn't that make you the pervert? I mean seriously. If parents are taking pictures for memories of their life as parents cataloging their children's progress through life...and you happen to come upon them and see something sexual...

Doesn't that make YOU the pervert?

I'm just wondering, where is the line drawn?

Look. I'm just saying it's a bad idea. If you think it's worth it to play with fire, be my guest.

reply to post by BrianFlanders


I leave that to the children's look on their face in looking at the photos...

That I think, the moment they came into the world, is the most important time of MY life, not theirs...

The stars in their eyes says it all.... they are my world. The most important moments of my life. Pictures are wonderful in expressing that. It's a family thing, that outside views pervert, it's not my problem - that's your problem.

Blessings,
Cirque

I thought i'd wait for my knee-jerk reaction to pass before posting a reply-which would be:Yes,all this pc bullsheet is getting preposterously out of hand!

But,on reflecting,im in two minds about this-FIRST OFF-i think most parents have taken snapshots of their kids naked in the bath-as all parents who read this already know-there's few things cuter than a laughing lil bebbeh or toddler enjoying a bath.I remember i still have a pic of my youngest daughter in the bath(although one only sees the upper body) with a wet dishcloth draped over her head.My mother in law lived with us then,and she insisted on drying the dishcloths by hanging them over the towelrails(each to their own i guess) and when my daughter was in the bath,she would grab one,dunk it in the water,pull it over her head,and make funny sounds-we all thought this was hilarious,and i took one or two pics.Its a fun,good memory-thats the whole point of photo's.

There's the time she was still in diapers(and Only diapers,this is Africa,it gets super-humid) when she took them off,to use our Great Dane's large waterbowl as a kiddie-pool(slime floating on top regardless,and Dane's slime a Lot when they drink)
:lolOut came the camera for that cute funny moment!
Stuff like that,as every parent knows,are precious memories,to this day we as a family still have a good giggle at some of those old pics-its moments from a life,and usually hilarious ones.

BUT there ARE sick/evil people in this world,twisted people-and i can understand how some folks may argue that innocent pics like that may fall into hands,or be seen by eyes that dont view nude kiddies as adorable only-but unfathomably,as sex objects.Maybe this employee was molested as a child,or has a relative who was.Its understandable that some folks may think that in this day and age-its not such a good idea anymore to take nude pics of one's kiddies-however innocent the intention.Or you may find that this Walmart employee,and those who would report parents for these pics,have never been parents themselves,and really have no idea how natural it is to take pics of just about Every little thing your kids do when they're small-and so cute that Every lil thing they do,just has to be recorded for memory-including bath pics,or when they just happen to be running around naked for a minute doing something funny.
There has been much more awareness in recent years of the massive problem society faces with paedophilia and sexual abuse of children-some will overreact sometimes,or act in the wrong situation,just because they feel rather safe than sorry?
I dont think Walmart,or any specific employee should bear the blame at the root,for this mistaken overreaching-the problem at the root is that society has members who are sick in their heads and in their souls,crippled individuals who spoil and corrupt everything that is pure and good.This,and the understandable urge to protect innocent children from adults with f-ed up intentions, will unfortunately sometimes manifest in that way.
I remember when i was a young teenager,my friends and i,girls all,could walk home from a movie at night alone,and we were perfectly safe-when i was a younger child,i would take the train and go into the city by myself-that type of thing would be far too dangerous these days in most parts of the world-and rightly so-there are more predators now,children are prime targets,and crime has reached extremely disturbing levels just about everywhere.Our way of life has changed-this is just another sign of that.







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Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
reply to post by BrianFlanders

 

I leave that to the children's look on their face in looking at the photos...

That I think, the moment they came into the world, is the most important time of MY life, not theirs...

The stars in their eyes says it all.... they are my world. The most important moments of my life. Pictures are wonderful in expressing that. It's a family thing, that outside views pervert, it's not my problem - that's your problem.

I don't know why you think I'm saying that I think there's anything wrong with it. Again, all I'm saying is you're playing with fire if you do it. I'm just trying to tell you that it's not a smart thing to do.

What I personally think doesn't matter. I'm not going to be the one deciding whether or not someone goes to jail for this. I'm just saying it should be common sense that some people might see it and think the wrong thing.

Originally posted by BrianFlanders

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
reply to post by BrianFlanders

 

I leave that to the children's look on their face in looking at the photos...

That I think, the moment they came into the world, is the most important time of MY life, not theirs...

The stars in their eyes says it all.... they are my world. The most important moments of my life. Pictures are wonderful in expressing that. It's a family thing, that outside views pervert, it's not my problem - that's your problem.

I don't know why you think I'm saying that I think there's anything wrong with it. Again, all I'm saying is you're playing with fire if you do it. I'm just trying to tell you that it's not a smart thing to do.

What I personally think doesn't matter. I'm not going to be the one deciding whether or not someone goes to jail for this. I'm just saying it should be common sense that some people might see it and think the wrong thing.

The Laws in the US are quite clear that these types of photos are not illegal.

Your argument then comes down to what other people might think.

Welcome to the 21st century where your neighbors are the thought police. It is not common sense to just accept this.

You can lie down and take that crap, I will not.

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This happened to my friend about 4 years ago. She didn't have her daughter taken from her, but she got a couple of visits from social services and had to be interviewed. her daughter was about 4 month old. Everyone has baby bath pictures. I understand that people are more cautious now of things like that but when a bath picture is mixed in with holiday pictures, you can easily tell the difference between holiday snaps and paedophilia pictures.

Why did the police over react like that? It is clear those are family pics and not meant for perverted reasons. All I can think is that town must be very conservative to freak out over something so innocent. The police jumped on them like they were dirty child molesters. Police needs more limits placed on them the states judging by this case.

Originally posted by marbles87
They put them on a sex offender list and all the people want is 75 large. If I was them I would be taking Walmart for everything. Invasion of privacy for one. I think it is none of walmarts concern what photos are of when they are devolved any much as they need to know if my toilette paper from them rolls over or under the roll next to my crapper. What happened to innocent until proven guilty. Sounds to me that they tried to throw the book at these loving parents but gots burnt. I would take walmart for all I could.

Exactly. Innocent until proven guilty is not the norm anymore. I blame the stupid people. There are way too many of them nowadays. All it would have taken for this to be corrected is a member of child protective services, or whoever, realizing that whoever made the complaint was an idiot, and stopped it right there. Common sense has gone down the toilet, and I am constantly bombarded with stupid people in my daily routine as well, and I just cannot believe some of what I see. It is just rampant.

And I agree that they should go after the company for a whole lot more. Millions. Heck, from a legal point of view, they should have filed a suit for something outrageous, like 100 million or something, just to draw more attention to the case. I can GUARANTEE that it will not matter, because Walmart WILL settle before this gets to a jury. They know that there is absolutely no way they can win a jury case, and considering what they must pay their lawyers, they won't be out all that much. But the person working in the photocenter should be fired in my opinion, simply because this was an invasion of privacy.

The only way that someone in that position should be able to do what they did is if there are pictures that leave no room for interpretation. Taking pictures of your own children in the bathtub does not constitute any wrongdoing, and unless there is something blatantly wrong with what is going on, like something of a sexual nature, which I'm sure would be obvious is that was the point of the pictures, then people should just mind their own business. And someone who actually was creating pornography of that nature probably would not have their pictures developed at some place like Walmart. But then again, as I said, people are stupid.

I'd sue WallyWorld for a few mill after I burned down a few of their stores for kidnapping my children. j/k about burning.

Listen up people! It is none of your goddamn business what parents choose as norms for their children in regards to nudity including capturing a real moment for future reference that may include some.

Everyone has different standards and unless you are aware of an actual crime you should stay the hell out of other peoples lives who have not invited you in for an opinion.

You can speculate, fantasize or guess all you like, but if there isn't an actual crime go back to your television news and let them tell your stupid ass how to think and snitch off your neighbors so you can feel good about the one fake thing you did in your life to not save a kid and as Walmart did perhaps damage them forever.

I'm so goddam tired of the assholes like Walmart and a few in this thread that think it is their business to butt their little minds into other peoples private business.

You and Dhs are what is wrong with America, the fact that you believe you have some kind of authority to watch people and decide there is a crime by speculation. Go f y0urselves and hire a driver so I don't have to run your small mind off the highway.

reply to post by Creep Thumper


While I agree with you in principle, perhaps you are not a parent. I only have like three bath shots of my daughter because of all this madness...but as a parent, you really can't resist grabbing a shot of your little one in the bath - first in the mini kiddie tub and then when they graduate to the full bathtub. I did frame the photos to be decent though and used the tub line as a blocker for anything that might be considered in bad taste. I usually approach taking pictures of my daughter as if she were already a consenting adult and I don't post ANY of the shots of my daughter to any social media. If she wants to share photos when she is older that is her decision to make, not mine.

***By consenting adult I mean that I won't take any photos of her that she wouldn't, upon older age, think were appropriate.

Originally posted by TheQuantumForcesThatBe
Imo, a stuctured family would seperate bath time and play time. Proper hygiene is important and if kids see bath times as play time, they just might get the wrong idea, and not take care of themselfs as they get older, simply because its not fun anymore to wash up, so why do it?

Almost every family have eternal issues

I know one thing, watching everybody make subtle mistakes raising their children is gonna make me a great father. I'll learn from everyones faults when it comes to parenthood. I mean you really only have one set of children for your lifetime. No room for error when it comes to my offspring. I just care that much. So much, it might be call unethical.

And when you have kids of your own, you are going to make sure you separate bath time from play time because you think these parents should have made their kids not have fun in the bath....you sound quite authoritarian.

I think what a lot of people are missing here is that parents daily see their kids in the bath and have to oversee them for their own safety, and it is foolish people with no common sense and a Nanny State society where the State can rip your kids from you for any reason that is causing this craziness. This is the reason I post about stuff like this, because Marxism destroys the nuclear family and this is one way they do it, through CPS and their authoritarian ability to take children from their parents on a dime.

Originally posted by freedomwv
Why did the police over react like that? It is clear those are family pics and not meant for perverted reasons. All I can think is that town must be very conservative to freak out over something so innocent. The police jumped on them like they were dirty child molesters. Police needs more limits placed on them the states judging by this case.

It's the Progressives who have created the Nanny State with their authoritarian overreach of the family. Marxism dictates that the nuclear family is too bourgeois and Progressives seek to replace the normal family with the Supreme State. This is why Hillary wrote that awful book,"It Takes A Village" because you see the Progressives depend on the State to rule over us in this way and parental authority no longer exists as the State can control every little aspect right down to whether parents who take innocent pics of their kids at bathtime get to keep their kids at all.

If you don't believe me that this is a symptom of the Progressive Nanny State, then just go to Eagle Forum and check out the stance of conservative Phyllis Schlafly on the family.

Originally posted by Char-Lee


When did YOU see the photos in question? Now all of you are judging the worker and her bosses and the child protective persons all in the wrong and YOU never saw the photos in question!

Right, the worker and her bosses and the child protective persons who were determined by the courts to be in the WRONG concerning this situation. Why must you keep defending them?? If my children were ripped from my home with zero due process I can't even imagine how I would react.

Just posting to add my support for the family that was wrongfully put through hell.

For generations all of our family has taken cute nakie baby photos. Everyone has one laying on their tummy about the time they can hold their heads up and we all have bathtub photos with 1-3 kids in the bubble bath with soapy heads and big grins.

reply to post by violet

They post them online

So is it Wal Mart's job to police families and make sure no pics ever get posted online? Or is it that the pic can be traced to whoever prints the photos.....sounds like Wal Mart and their employees are just covering their own derrieres.

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
reply to post by jiggerj

 

I have naked pictures of each of my children moments after they were born. I cherish those photos, not because their naked, but because they are moments captured that help me go back in time to relive those moments. I show them to my children and say , "look, your first moments in the world." (everyone of them asked what was the white stuff! lol)

According to you I was wrong in wanting those photos to cherish....

I guess I should throw them out?

~ Cirque

That's a little different than kids playing in the bathtub and mom running for the camera. But I will ask you what I would ask these parents: Why not put clothes on them before taking the picture? You say you cherish the pictures, but not because they're naked photos. So, why not dress them before hand? If the mother knew she was going to take pictures of her kids in the bathtub, why not have them throw on bathing suits?

I can't express it more clearly that I have no problem with parents taking pics of their babies in birthday suits. I'm just stating that if the purpose isn't to deliberately take nude photos of kids, then why do it? How long does it take to throw on a diaper or underwear or a bathing suit?

reply to post by ollncasino


I feel like everyone is on the 'WAL-MART Blame' wagon here. How would you all feel if you saw a man bring in a roll of pictures of several little girls naked (or close to it) and you had no idea it was the father? What if it turned out that he was a predator and you did nothing? It is not the responsibility of Wal-Mart to investigate and determine if the act was lewd, it is the responsibility of CPS or whichever agency they contacted. These children's parent should have been interviewed and then everything dropped. The failure is not Wal-Mart or their employee.

S&F for the article OP!

reply to post by pheonix358


Spoken like a man who never suffered from being Molested as a young female child.