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Hi Athlon, i've only read up to here so far but from the off, i was wondering which you would class yourself as. does the above statement make you an enslaver of sorts?
Here is a conundrum. If i want to exorcise self control. Does that make me the slave or the enslaved?
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by ThePhysicalExperience
It makes you enslaved by belief systems/ideology, otherwise you would just be FREE to do what you'd like. The only "self-control" we need is to respect the free-will of others, then there is balance.
That is what i was referring to. For example i like to have sex but i cant run around raping people because it breaches the "free will". There is no dogma or beliefs here but it still represents a control factor. So from this perspective nature is satisfied and everyone wins.
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by ThePhysicalExperience
That is what i was referring to. For example i like to have sex but i cant run around raping people because it breaches the "free will". There is no dogma or beliefs here but it still represents a control factor. So from this perspective nature is satisfied and everyone wins.
The sex example is not the good one because we live in a world of laws. You break the law you go to jail.
Originally posted by ThePhysicalExperience
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by ThePhysicalExperience
That is what i was referring to. For example i like to have sex but i cant run around raping people because it breaches the "free will". There is no dogma or beliefs here but it still represents a control factor. So from this perspective nature is satisfied and everyone wins.
The sex example is not the good one because we live in a world of laws. You break the law you go to jail.
Why is not a "good example"? Because you cant comprehend what i have said or it doesn't fit in your current belief system. Personally i can think of no better example because it relates to what you are talking about from a completely personal level with no external factors involved. What about a tribe of people who have no contact with the outside world and don't follow societies laws?
So it sounds like the very act of respecting free will is a self imposed control mechanism. So that would make one both the slave and en-slaver. This is pretty cool because it says a lot about the subjective nature of reality.
to me freedom is relative, as soon as my freedom starts to limit someone else, they will start to limit mine to regain their own.... unless they are entirely passive, which would only last untill they are totally fed up and fight back as such.
i think freedom is an over used concept in debates etc - it's a personal notion and outsiders may view others as being totally deluded in their estimation of how free they are - it's all just perception, we create our own realities and often make the mistake that others share them with us.
The best slaves are those who do not know they are in chains. Teach them to think like the free people, and they may actually start to believe it.
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by skalla
The best slaves are those who do not know they are in chains. Teach them to think like the free people, and they may actually start to believe it.