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Originally posted by Murgatroid
reply to post by Arbitrageur
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
There aren't any "Proofs that Aliens have visited Earth".
There is TONS of proof...
But simply because all of this undeniable evidence exposes the fact that they are NOT aliens and in reality have a stealth agenda hiding behind a facade of deception, all of it has been deliberately covered up.
"We got a coverup among the researchers themselves that people are relying on for the truth" ~ Joe Jordan
"Joe is obviously not popular with many UFO believers for ‘blowing the whistle’ and revealing the deception behind it all..."
One of Joe’s cases involved a brand-new Christian called Bill D. During an alleged alien abduction he cried out “Jesus, help me!” and the encounter immediately stopped. When Joe contacted other MUFON investigators to see if they had had similar cases, they would only agree to talk to Joe if it was ‘off the record’ for fear of their careers. The truth was they all knew of similar accounts of abductions being stopped by people praying, singing hymns or calling on the name of Jesus. But because it was ‘religious in nature’ and not ‘scientific’, the evidence was being deliberately ignored and actually hidden.
Lifting the veil on the UFO phenomenon
edit on 8-3-2013 by Murgatroid because: I felt like it..
Originally posted by Chadwickus
Links to the above movies HERE
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
This site didn't spend a dime to debunk him that I know of, but they did put his picture on the top of the "HOAX" forum.
Originally posted by WhySoBlinded
The proof for me is Billie Meier,a man that most of you wil say is a hoax becouse some some organizations have spent millions of dollers to try debunk this great man.
I did not say that ATS spent money to debunk meier.
But the fact is that there are a few shills here that go on there f knees for a guy like Alex Collier the big hoaxer and then they claim that Mr meier is a scummbagg liar.
Mr Meier if you ask me is the real deal .
The first three of those 4 have been explained, right here on ATS. Not everyone accepts the explanations, but as you see in this thread, some people still think Billy Meier isn't a hoaxer even though proof of that is pretty conclusive, so you'll never get 100% agreement with any explanation, not even Billy Meier.
Originally posted by HamP1980
There are the Rendlesham forest incident, Phoenix lights, the 2008 turkey sighting, the Betty and Barney Hills abduction. None of them has been explained as far as I know. Unexplained isn't proof but simply unexplained, but non the less interesting.
So unreliable memories extracted using unreliable methods are hardly proof of anything.
In the Brandon Report, a set of training, practice, research and professional development recommendations, the United Kingdom's Royal College of Psychiatrists advised psychiatrists to avoid use of RMT or any "memory recovery techniques", citing a lack of evidence to support the accuracy of memories recovered in this way.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
I don't always believe the official story...and obviously they lied in the Roswell incident...but even pro-UFO investigators learned there were temperature inversions in Washington which supported the official story:
Even if you don't believe the official story, it has enough plausibility that the Washington incident doesn't even come close to proof, and in my opinion, the official story in this case is probably close to correct.
Air Force intelligence director John Samford told the press that the sightings may have been a false radar reading, caused by a temperature inversion in the atmosphere.
"I have interviewed five of the CAA personnel involved in this case and four of the commercial airline pilots involved, I have checked the radiosonde data against well-known radar propagation relations, and I have studied the CAA report subsequently published on this event. Only an extremely lengthy discussion would suffice to present the serious objections to the official explanation ... of anomalous radar propagation and refractive anomalies of the mirage type. The refractive index gradient ... was far too low for "ducting" or "trapping" to occur; and, still more significant, the angular elevations of the visually observed unknowns lay far too high for radar- ducting under even the most extreme conditions that have ever been observed in the atmosphere. Some of the pilots, directed by ground radar to look for any airborne objects, saw them at altitudes well above their own flight altitudes, and these objects were maneuvering in wholly unconventional manner. One crew saw one of the unknown luminous objects shoot straight up, and simultaneously the object' s return disappeared from the ARTC scope being watched by the CAA radar operators. The official suggestion that the same weak (1.7"C) low-level "inversion" that was blamed for the radar ducting could produce miraging effects was quantitatively absurd, even if one overlooks the airline-pilot sightings and deals only with the reported ground-visual sightings". From the CAA radar operators I interviewed, as well as from the pilots I talked to about this case, I got the impression that the propagation-anomaly hypothesis struck them as quite out of the question, then and now." (My emphasis.)
Actually the crew of one of the planes that was sent to investigate the source of one of the radar returns does feel they identified the source of that return:
Originally posted by TeaAndStrumpets
But you're right that the D.C. '52 case cannot be considered "proof". No case can. But it and several others are evidence of something very interesting, and cannot just be casually explained away. Nor have these types of compelling cases been explained, over 60 years later....
This clearly supports the temperature inversion explanation and does seem to indicate that skeptics who felt temperature inversions couldn't explain the returns were mistaken.
Among the witnesses who supported Samford's explanation was the crew of a B-25 bomber, which had been flying over Washington during the sightings of July 26–27. The bomber was vectored several times by National Airport over unknown targets on the airport's radarscopes, yet the crew could see nothing unusual. Finally, as a crew member related, "the radar had a target which turned out to be the Wilson Lines steamboat trip to Mount Vernon...the radar was sure as hell picking up the steamboat."
All the Roswell evidence I've seen indicates the official story it was a weather balloon was a lie. Officials later admitted it was a lie and that it was probably a much larger balloon from the project mogul experiments, which was classified as it involved nuclear weapons testing detection, thus the reason they lied. Of course there are critics who point out some discrepancies to this but I don't find the discrepancies amount to much. For example, Jesse Marcel claimed the foil was indestructible yet it was in many pieces over a huge debris field. Those two claims are mutually exclusive in my view...if it's in lots of pieces it wasn't indestructible, it was just foil.
Originally posted by amazing
Any thoughts on Roswell or Travis Walton?
Originally posted by CranialSponge
You want proof ?
I'll give you proof :