reply to post by Kovenov
And as for an unhampered market, I presume then that you are completely fine with hazardous, dangerous, toxic, and poisonous wares being offered for
sale in your stores? The market will weed them out and all that because it's up to the consumer to drive the market? They won't buy the poisonous
stuff? There is a reason why we have a regulated market. Safety is just one reason, among many.
The Concise Reason Why Socialism Will Never Work In The Western World!, page 4
reply posted on 11-3-2013 @ 11:23 AM by kalisdad
reply to post by ModernAcademia
how does planned obsolescence fit into your premise?
to me that has nothing to do with socialism, and eveything to do with the greed that comes with corporate capitalism.
how does planned obsolescence fit into your premise?
to me that has nothing to do with socialism, and eveything to do with the greed that comes with corporate capitalism.
reply posted on 11-3-2013 @ 12:55 PM by daskakik
reply to post by ModernAcademia
Crony capitalism is nothing more than people colluding. It is totally possible under free market capitalism. Of course it stops being free market capitalism but that is the whole point, free market capitalism is just as idealistic as socialism.
Crony capitalism is nothing more than people colluding. It is totally possible under free market capitalism. Of course it stops being free market capitalism but that is the whole point, free market capitalism is just as idealistic as socialism.
reply posted on 11-3-2013 @ 09:41 PM by hawkiye
reply to post by ANOK
LOL! Anok thinks if he just repeats this lie enough people will believe it. The truth is completely the opposite Socialism/fascism/communism/corporatism in all its forms is the dominate economic system and is responsible fro all the problems we have today. Capitalism cannot exist without free markets and we have not had that for a hundred years now since the Federal reserve act was passed in 1913. These wannabes want to blame Capitalism for all the things that socialism has caused for the last century.
Socialism requires force and or coercion no system of socialism however they claim to define it has ever existed without force and or coercion of some sort. If it was so wonderful even those who claim it has never been truly practiced they would be doing it and people would be flocking to it. There is nothing stopping them from creating a small scale model of their supposed better society and proving the concept. But they can't because they would have to force people to participate because no one will volunteer to give up the fruits of their labors for very long when they see that others who do not work as hard as they do receive the same benefits they receive for working much harder.
The advocates of socialism are just wannabe thieves who do not want to do the heavy lifting of creating something on their own or they would have already done it. They want others to create something and then steal it from them for their benefit in the name of equality and justice.
Even voluntary socialistic societies like the Amish use coercion as in God wants you to and will punish you if you don't style coercion. Socialism is against human nature. All humans want to keep the fruits of their labors to do with as they please. If Anok or anyone of his ilk won the lottery tomorrow do you think they would share it with everyone or use it to create a model of their supposed superior society? Not a chance! They would forget all about their socialist cause in a heart beat!
There are no socialist countries. Capitalism is the predominant economic system the world over.
LOL! Anok thinks if he just repeats this lie enough people will believe it. The truth is completely the opposite Socialism/fascism/communism/corporatism in all its forms is the dominate economic system and is responsible fro all the problems we have today. Capitalism cannot exist without free markets and we have not had that for a hundred years now since the Federal reserve act was passed in 1913. These wannabes want to blame Capitalism for all the things that socialism has caused for the last century.
Socialism requires force and or coercion no system of socialism however they claim to define it has ever existed without force and or coercion of some sort. If it was so wonderful even those who claim it has never been truly practiced they would be doing it and people would be flocking to it. There is nothing stopping them from creating a small scale model of their supposed better society and proving the concept. But they can't because they would have to force people to participate because no one will volunteer to give up the fruits of their labors for very long when they see that others who do not work as hard as they do receive the same benefits they receive for working much harder.
The advocates of socialism are just wannabe thieves who do not want to do the heavy lifting of creating something on their own or they would have already done it. They want others to create something and then steal it from them for their benefit in the name of equality and justice.
Even voluntary socialistic societies like the Amish use coercion as in God wants you to and will punish you if you don't style coercion. Socialism is against human nature. All humans want to keep the fruits of their labors to do with as they please. If Anok or anyone of his ilk won the lottery tomorrow do you think they would share it with everyone or use it to create a model of their supposed superior society? Not a chance! They would forget all about their socialist cause in a heart beat!
reply posted on 13-3-2013 @ 03:10 PM by ANOK
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
The funny thing is that people who say "You don't know what Socialism is" dont' know what it is themselves either.
People don't realize socialism was intended to be born out of a global revolution and violent overthrow of govt..... GLOBALLY.
And then when you talk about common ownership and the above it is by far the most unrealistic and idealistic imaginary path ever conceived.
Hmmm not true. Socialists have always been for political change to socialism, not violent revolution. Marxism for example was apposed to direct action.
The revolutionary wing of socialism would be anarchism, and most anarchists do not advocate violence.
But regardless do you not think that "violence" is sometimes the only answer? I mean after all you appear to support capitalism and governments, which are both inherently violent.
If you lived in N.Korea would you not advocate violent revolution?
The only thing socialists want is worker ownership, they want the true producers to earn the full fruits of their labour.
What is the point of this thread anyway? Why are you so obsessed with bashing socialists? It's not like we're any threat anymore to the establishment. Are you scared of change, have a personal reason to maintain the present system? Violence is obviously not what you have a problem with.
Did you know that socialists during WWI and WWII were conscientious objectors?
There were many groups and members of American society who objected to World War I. Recent immigrants, Irish immigrants, socialists, midwestern progressives and populists, and even parents of young men are a few of the members and groups who opposed the war. Moral and religious reasons contribute to the underlying reason as to why young men tried to avoid and even refuse the war draft.
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Conscientious objection arising from non-religious - humanist, socialist, anarchist - motives developed in Europe from the early 20th century, particularly in the aftermath of the First World War.
CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION History of conscientious objection in Europe
Conscientious Objectors
Socialists are not the ones invading other countries to spread capitalism globally. Socialists are not the ones creating the global economy and sending your jobs to cheaper labour markets.
Like I said on page one, you have no idea what socialism is. You only know what the right wing establishment has told you it is. I doubt you have ever picked up a book, ever, have you?
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