The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet

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posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by TauCetixeta
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The President Eisenhower info is a little off.

Ike met with the Domain Expeditionary Force February 20 - 21, 1954.
The DEF has NO noninterference directive. That gives them the option to play
Lets Make a Deal and sign a treaty.

The treaty was signed.

It took us about a year to build the new underground bases.

Archuleta Mesa , Area 51 ...etc.

Then Ike met with the DEF again February 11, 1955 at Holloman AFB, New Mexico
for only 45 minutes. He gave them the map to new underground bases.
He also discussed with them a warning received from the Pleiadians.


The Grenada treaty? I wonder how true info is that.


Originally posted by TauCetixeta

Originally posted by DJW001
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In 1939 it is alleged that Harry Truman’s Secretary of State, Cordell Hull, took his cousin Reverend Turner Hamilton Holt to a sub-basement in the U.S. Capitol building and revealed 4 strange creatures in glass tubes preserved in formaldehyde along with a wrecked craft.


In 1939, Truman was not even Vice President yet. Cordell Hull was Roosevelt's Secretary of State. I can only assume the rest of your information is as accurate.


That's an old trick. They change the date to remove credibility.

The correct date is 1947.

2 spacecraft had a mid-air collision July 2, 1947 near Corona, New Mexico.

That gave us the famous debris field on Mac Brazels ranch.

There was a 2nd crash site near Datil, NM.
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I've always considered something is not all with Rosewell. In order to start understanding the tricks they do to cover up, Phoenix Lights could be a repeat of how they mislead:

During the Phoenix sighting, flares were released hours after the sighting (some people talking about seeing some aircraft with weird surface). So they eventually said: It was flares, training, etc. =>Mudding the waters

In Rosewell, there has been a report of more than 1 crash. But similar way: There is a crash, they release weather balloons with puppets, they crash - official explanation - Weather balloons.

^ And what happens? The story is true, there has been balloons dropped and crashed, but this is taking the attention away from the other actual crash.

And then classify the balloons story - to make it even more credible by being classified, declassify it as they did in the 90s - did you guys see it's balloons?

And that is how an actual story behind this disinfo or mudding the water, the actual story falls into oblivion

And no one would ever ask - this is a typical method of hiding information




posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 03:41 PM
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But if stories are true then there really is some “incredible” information to suggest that a lot of evidence is being hidden from the public’s eye.


No offense mate but you should have stuck with that view from the outset, kudos for your research though and clearly you've put a lot of effort into it, however:

There are a ton of cases in which the U.S. government does have and is not releasing it's files on UFO encounters. Off the top of my head American West Flight 564 from 1995, NORAD confirmed the radar blip at the time and then officially denied it:

www.ufocasebook.com...

JAL 1628, confirmed that information was again, covered up:



You get my point, and these are just some random ones I pulled out of my noggin, there's probably a hundred if not a thousand more examples of stuff like this throughout Ufology.

And if it need to be said, I'll say it, do YOU really believe ALL your government tells you?



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
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But if stories are true then there really is some “incredible” information to suggest that a lot of evidence is being hidden from the public’s eye.


No offense mate but you should have stuck with that view from the outset, kudos for your research though and clearly you've put a lot of effort into it, however:

There are a ton of cases in which the U.S. government does have and is not releasing it's files on UFO encounters. Off the top of my head American West Flight 564 from 1995, NORAD confirmed the radar blip at the time and then officially denied it:

www.ufocasebook.com...

JAL 1628, confirmed that information was again, covered up:



You get my point, and these are just some random ones I pulled out of my noggin, there's probably a hundred if not a thousand more examples of stuff like this throughout Ufology.

And if it need to be said, I'll say it, do YOU really believe ALL your government tells you?


No offence taken my Caledonian friend. If you think this thread should have taken a different direction then fair enough and point taken. You are entitled to air your view and it all adds to the debate.



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 04:57 PM
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I don't believe America has any evidence. Nearly by law if they did know there was Aliens the DOD would HAVE to start building defences out there to defend us against them. You just don't see American military even partly attempting to build a defense network in space where if you were going to defend you would want to do so as far away from the Earth as viable.

If you ever see the US or other governments start deploying defensive systems in far Earth Orbit, Moon or beyound then you can seriously speculate that they have some clue that we are not alone.



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 05:19 PM
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You have a point in that, basically, the standard model of human would "lose it" if other intelligences were disclosed.

But that doesn't mean it's right to withhold information. Information is all we have. For some people to have that kind of power of information about something so important conjures images of the kind of arrogance that really sums up our problems as a species.

Some people will always go against common consensus and sense. Let them and the rest will go on as usual with the only difference being more information in our collective pool.

I fall on the side that wants information no matter how disturbing. People should be treated as adults and perhaps they'll start to live up to that label.



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 05:22 PM
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Very interesting thread mate and I'd never heard of the King Gustavus V of Sweden story before -regarding the part about U.S. Secretary of State Cordell Hull, there's a relevant vid below featuring an interview with his daughters Alene Holt Gramly and Lucille Holt Andrew.







Originally posted by TauCetixeta

The people of Puerto Rico have known about a very old underground base on the southwest

end of the island for a long time. The citizens saw an exciting event 7:45 PM

December 28, 1988. 2 F-14s engaged a large flying saucer and lost.

The Domain has been here all along.


TauCetixeta, good call and that case certainly is a freaky one -it states at the link below there were claims that the radar-tapes of the incident were 'immediately classified and sent to Washington D. C.' but I don't know how true that is.






The situation continued going on and " in crescendo" until the night in which two U. S. Navy jet fighters were apparently abducted in mid air by a huge triangular shaped UFO and disappeared in front of more than 115 witnesses that have surfaced up to this moment. This event happened in the night of Dec. 28, 1988, at 7:45 P.M.

According to most witnesses, there seemed to be three jet fighters involved with the incident, two of them disappeared in mid air as they intercepted and closed in on the huge triangular UFO, and the third one fled the area flying to the north, being chased by several big red balls of light that came out from the UFO. After this, the UFO split into two separate triangular objects in a silent flash of light, after which one of the objects or sections flew off very fast to the north and the other one flew to the east, disappearing. As readers must realize, this incident has profound implications to all of us, and is one of the most important UFO incidents reported in the recent years in Puerto Rico and abroad.


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Cheers.



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by AndyMayhew

Originally posted by signalfire
That many governments of the world have had interaction with alien and also pre-existing subterranean and sub-oceanic life forms is impossible to dispute, if you do the research.


Aye, just watch Dr Who


Otherwise, there is as yet no firm evidence of life outside of Earth, though most scientists involved in related research suspect it to be very likely.

But just because we think something is true, does not mean we know it to be so


I said earlier in this thread none of the information posted is evidence that any life exists outside of our planet. There isn't one piece of definitive evidence that ET exists that we ordinary folk can lay our hands on. The closest we ever got was in 1996 when NASA thought it may have found a microbe fossil in an ancient rock from Mars.

I look at this way. If this was part of some kind of overall disclosure program then it would make sense to first reveal that we'd found a small microbe existed on Mars long ago. This would certainly be big news but is unlikely to shake the foundations of global society. Perhaps the Mars rock announcement was meant to be the start of a long slow disclosure program over another 50 years or more and something wasn't quite right in 1996 and things were put on hold for another 2 decades or more? We simply do not know.

Of course it is also possible that every single alien contact story is entirely fictitious and/or has been placed in the public domain for reasons of deception and misdirection. In the end it is up to YOU to decide what you believe in and it is good to hear differing views on the subject.



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by mirageman

I look at this way. If this was part of some kind of overall disclosure program then it would make sense to first reveal that we'd found a small microbe existed on Mars long ago. This would certainly be big news but is unlikely to shake the foundations of global society. Perhaps the Mars rock announcement was meant to be the start of a long slow disclosure program over another 50 years or more and something wasn't quite right in 1996 and things were put on hold for another 2 decades or more? We simply do not know.

Of course it is also possible that every single alien contact story is entirely fictitious and/or has been placed in the public domain for reasons of deception and misdirection. In the end it is up to YOU to decide what you believe in and it is good to hear differing views on the subject.


Or perhaps the reason disclosure hasn't happened is because the aliens wish to remain in the shadows and don't wished to be disclosed. How funny it would be if every substantial nugget we've ever ascertained was actually the government trying to disclose but couldn't let the aliens know it was them disclosing it for fear of retaliation.



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 05:48 PM
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That was most interesting Karl and a great find.




posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 05:55 PM
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Since AMERICA and the rest oif the World are 75% Cowards.
American GOV believes Americans could NOT handle the news of ALIENS.
As Americans would go Berserk.
So they withhold that info.



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 07:10 PM
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Great Thread, What ATS should really be about, not all the other "Wacko" stuff.

Im no expert, but it has always been intriguing that 'Aliens" are suppose to be from some distant star system millions of light years away, yet travel in small saucer craft, that seem to not handle thunderstorms or other local weather etc.

While I do agree they probably may have some "SpacePort" somewhere in the solar system, and we have been visited by many different cultures, with different craft......It is equally possible, to me, that they have been living under our very feet as it is, somewhere with our Earth, probably as long as Homos have been around.....and this includes the so called "Saurans" descendants of dinosaurs.

They "The Greys" match what a Humanoid would be like, living without abundant sunlight....Grey/white skin, big eyes for the dark, small stature for underground living, thin..lack of vit D and other nutrients perhaps?

We know there is life deep in the Earths crust, that is no secret, we know there are huge caverns underground, we know there is plenty of fresh water underground, etc etc.
It took us millions of years to adapt to the surface, imagine millions of years living underground, and the UFOs?, well we have cars, boats, planes etc, perhaps, they like to explore too. But just more secretively.

Maybe its the Earth Greys that are protecting us from invasion of "Warlike ET", with their hi technology.

Homos are just the monkeys on the surface, that are a minor annoyance.

There is NO Doubt the great influx of UFO/ET activity occurred when the Atom Bomb was fired.....

That would be enough to wake up Any Sleeping giant........

Ever stamped your feet on a bull-ant's nest?.........See what happens next.......RUN!!!!!!!



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 07:18 PM
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I rely on EVIDENCE.
Life out in the universe has a VERY HIGH probability,
but i won´t discount the possibility that the US
ACTUALLY has NO evidence of extraterrestrial life.
To dismiss this possibility that the government actually
MIGHT be telling the truth on this matter,
means that one would be either effed up paranoid nutjob or a hardcore believer,
in other words, a FANATIC.
And all fanatics are idiots,
without exception.



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by LionOfGOD
And all fanatics are idiots,
without exception.


said by LionOfGOD. hahahahahahahah



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by unstoppability

Originally posted by LionOfGOD
And all fanatics are idiots,
without exception.


said by LionOfGOD. hahahahahahahah


Ditto!!!!!!!!!



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 10:41 PM
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Stars to you.
You've just spoted a troll.
Paid and so numerous.
It will not take the OP off the tracks: the gov. is lying. There are "proofs" of deceiving.
Come on.
We should not forget the difficult economic time the US is going through. The trolls have to make a living, after all.
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posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 10:43 PM
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Revealing the truth will always be painful to someone. You can't wait until until you think there will be a less painful moment or a time when there will be less weak people because if you look back through our past you'll see that it just doesn't happen! There is never a better time to reveal the truth about something than the first opportunity after its realization.



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 10:50 PM
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When ufology becomes a religion, it's the point where I jump off this joyride...



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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Oh, okay Phil. Thanks for the update, we will stop asking now.




posted on Mar, 10 2013 @ 12:19 AM
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If you go to www.myredpillperspective.com you will see an abundance of evidence of intelligent life other than our own that has never been disclosed publicly. It's time they are shown outside my own circle of influence so I just recently created this site.



posted on Mar, 10 2013 @ 12:46 AM
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The Phoenix lights incident pretty much proves the U.S. military at least, is very well aware of what may well be alien life. There is really no other explanation. They pretty much did themselves in with that flare stunt.





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