reply to post by Angle
I disagree.
What exactly on this planet is there that we should have faith in?
Mankind? Ha
Some invisible man in the sky?
Aliens to come save us from our self created absurdity?
Faith is a crutch, a coping mechanism. It will fail you when you need it most.
If anything have faith in yourself, just be sure not to let yourself down.
No mind without faith., page 1
reply posted on 8-3-2013 @ 04:00 PM by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Angle
I kind of disagree I think mind is ego and faith through and through whole body knowledge because it's the knowledge of the Reality which is consciousness itself something not localized to the mind or the "I" self.
Faith is communion with God, not belief in God as an external deity or entity apart from the body.
To have faith is to eat of the substance of God which is true life.
Faith is the only reasonable position to take even in the face of adverse circumstance and the vicissitudes of life.
As an "untouchability" it also possesses a certain humor in the awareness of a non-local (eternal) experience.
A person of faith is a happy person with absolute liberation capable of retaining their humor even when the physical body crumbles or in the face of mortal fear.
To have real faith is to be filled with gnosis, and love.
Faith is also optimistic and has no truck with a limiting, narrow-minded cynicism leading to the degeneration of personal joy and happiness at the expense of everything that's worthwhile in life.
People lacking in this quality, due to a lack of understanding (ignorance) are really screwed.
Best Regards,
NAM
With faith - no mind.
I kind of disagree I think mind is ego and faith through and through whole body knowledge because it's the knowledge of the Reality which is consciousness itself something not localized to the mind or the "I" self.
Faith is communion with God, not belief in God as an external deity or entity apart from the body.
To have faith is to eat of the substance of God which is true life.
Faith is the only reasonable position to take even in the face of adverse circumstance and the vicissitudes of life.
As an "untouchability" it also possesses a certain humor in the awareness of a non-local (eternal) experience.
A person of faith is a happy person with absolute liberation capable of retaining their humor even when the physical body crumbles or in the face of mortal fear.
To have real faith is to be filled with gnosis, and love.
Faith is also optimistic and has no truck with a limiting, narrow-minded cynicism leading to the degeneration of personal joy and happiness at the expense of everything that's worthwhile in life.
People lacking in this quality, due to a lack of understanding (ignorance) are really screwed.
Best Regards,
NAM
With faith - no mind.
edit on 8-3-2013 by NewAgeMan because: edit
reply posted on 8-3-2013 @ 04:11 PM by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Angle
And...just like that, you expect us to just nod along and say, "Yep, sure is."
No thanks. I hope I'm not the only one when I say that you need to flesh that theory out a little more.
A mind is retrieved as effect of faith. Faith is mind. Grow mind.
And...just like that, you expect us to just nod along and say, "Yep, sure is."
No thanks. I hope I'm not the only one when I say that you need to flesh that theory out a little more.
reply posted on 8-3-2013 @ 04:30 PM by travisirius
reply to post by Angle
“Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence.”
Robert Anton Wilson
I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning.
Aleister Crowley
Christian lie:
If you don't "believe" in something then you will fall for anything.
“Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence.”
Robert Anton Wilson
I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning.
Aleister Crowley
Christian lie:
If you don't "believe" in something then you will fall for anything.
reply posted on 8-3-2013 @ 09:56 PM by Wandering Scribe
reply to post by Angle
Faith is a perception, specifically it is what we perceive to exist without evidence or proof. The "mind" is just the generalization under which our thoughts, dreams, desires, and consciousness are grouped. Having faith in something can certainly add to the head-space which is known as mind, but it is not necessary.
~ Wandering Scribe
Faith is a perception, specifically it is what we perceive to exist without evidence or proof. The "mind" is just the generalization under which our thoughts, dreams, desires, and consciousness are grouped. Having faith in something can certainly add to the head-space which is known as mind, but it is not necessary.
~ Wandering Scribe
reply posted on 9-3-2013 @ 02:43 AM by Angle
Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
reply to post by Angle
Faith is a perception, specifically it is what we perceive to exist without evidence or proof. The "mind" is just the generalization under which our thoughts, dreams, desires, and consciousness are grouped. Having faith in something can certainly add to the head-space which is known as mind, but it is not necessary.
~ Wandering Scribe
Faith is a perception, just like the mind holds a type of perception towards all incoming signals. Can one have three perceptions at a time? Faith above matter!
reply posted on 9-3-2013 @ 08:27 AM by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Angle
I didn't say you couldn't post, I said it would be helpful if you fleshed it out a little and made it sound more reasonable instead of plopping an opinion down and starting a woo-woo contest.
We're on a discussion board.
I didn't say you couldn't post, I said it would be helpful if you fleshed it out a little and made it sound more reasonable instead of plopping an opinion down and starting a woo-woo contest.
reply posted on 9-3-2013 @ 04:21 PM by Wandering Scribe
reply to post by Angle
I actually can hold more than one visual perception, and even audible perception, in my mind at any given time, yes. It was something I spent my childhood teaching myself to do. I can have two internal-monologues simultaneously, or completely clear my head in a meditative style at will. Having faith has nothing to do with that, though. To have faith in something means you believe, or accept it, without evidence of proof.
~ Wandering Scribe
I actually can hold more than one visual perception, and even audible perception, in my mind at any given time, yes. It was something I spent my childhood teaching myself to do. I can have two internal-monologues simultaneously, or completely clear my head in a meditative style at will. Having faith has nothing to do with that, though. To have faith in something means you believe, or accept it, without evidence of proof.
~ Wandering Scribe
reply posted on 10-3-2013 @ 04:10 AM by Angle
reply to post by Wandering Scribe
It's not necessary to accept something without having proof of it for it to be Faith.
It was more profound to have Faith in something without having seen it, like miracles for example. Like having faith you'll retrieve your arm after it being chopped of by agressors. It is possible. I don't say it will, but it is possible. Faith.
It's not necessary to accept something without having proof of it for it to be Faith.
It was more profound to have Faith in something without having seen it, like miracles for example. Like having faith you'll retrieve your arm after it being chopped of by agressors. It is possible. I don't say it will, but it is possible. Faith.
reply posted on 10-3-2013 @ 03:05 PM by Wandering Scribe
reply to post by Angle
Everything you've just described, is exactly what I defined faith as.
Faith is believing in something, because you want it, rather than accepting something based on evidence, or proof. Faith and belief are not fact and scientific theory, specifically because they cannot be tested through the scientific method, or attached to a set of empirical data.
You can argue all you want for the profound wisdom of having faith in something miraculous; but it doesn't change the fact that all you're doing is attaching an emotionally uplifting feeling to an unverifiable cause. You accept it, not because it is so, but because you want it to be so, regardless of what reality says.
~ Wandering Scribe
Everything you've just described, is exactly what I defined faith as.
Faith is believing in something, because you want it, rather than accepting something based on evidence, or proof. Faith and belief are not fact and scientific theory, specifically because they cannot be tested through the scientific method, or attached to a set of empirical data.
You can argue all you want for the profound wisdom of having faith in something miraculous; but it doesn't change the fact that all you're doing is attaching an emotionally uplifting feeling to an unverifiable cause. You accept it, not because it is so, but because you want it to be so, regardless of what reality says.
~ Wandering Scribe
reply posted on 10-3-2013 @ 03:20 PM by Angle
reply to post by Wandering Scribe
Now that's not really true wandering scribe. Faith is or believing because of having experienced what can be or believing it without having seen it. Believing it without having seen it is a simple thing. It's also the most profound of faith.
Now that's not really true wandering scribe. Faith is or believing because of having experienced what can be or believing it without having seen it. Believing it without having seen it is a simple thing. It's also the most profound of faith.
reply posted on 10-3-2013 @ 03:33 PM by Wandering Scribe
reply to post by Angle
Believing in something without having seen it, is the same as accepting something without evidence or proof.
Show me evidence, or proof, of amputated limbs growing back on a human being.
Show me evidence, or proof, that the dead can be resurrected after three days.
Show me evidence, or proof, that any force in existence can stop the sun's movement across the sky.
Show me evidence, or proof, that things which cannot be witnessed, actually occur.
You cannot, which is why you need to have faith that they exist, happen, or can happen.
Faith is believing in something which cannot be proven, or supported by evidence.
~ Wandering Scribe
Believing in something without having seen it, is the same as accepting something without evidence or proof.
Show me evidence, or proof, of amputated limbs growing back on a human being.
Show me evidence, or proof, that the dead can be resurrected after three days.
Show me evidence, or proof, that any force in existence can stop the sun's movement across the sky.
Show me evidence, or proof, that things which cannot be witnessed, actually occur.
You cannot, which is why you need to have faith that they exist, happen, or can happen.
Faith is believing in something which cannot be proven, or supported by evidence.
~ Wandering Scribe
reply posted on 10-3-2013 @ 03:35 PM by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Wandering Scribe
Faith is just another word for "I have a very good reason to lie to myself."
Faith is just another word for "I have a very good reason to lie to myself."
reply posted on 10-3-2013 @ 03:36 PM by Angle
reply to post by Wandering Scribe
Do you believe faith can exist? What purpose would faith have? I ask you sincerely. What are your thoughts about that Wandering Scribe.
Do you believe faith can exist? What purpose would faith have? I ask you sincerely. What are your thoughts about that Wandering Scribe.
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