reply to post by Wrabbit2000
I hear what you are saying and I'm seeing the same radical out of control issues that you are. The Nanny state that Bloomberg is creating atop his
personal 25 billion dollar fortune is one example and extreme to Obama carrying on and greatly expanding on Bush era programs of preemptive strike and
warfare as a justified tactic.
9/11 was the tipping point, the marker in the sand that divides the old America and the new one. In the past, we have been able to identify our enemy,
the Germans, the Koreans, the Nazis, the Japanese, the North Vietnamese, it started getting muddy around the time of Desert Storm but they had cause,
Iraq invaded and occupied Kuwait, it could be manipulated through lies propaganda and implied morality.
They don't even bother with that kind of thing anymore. Our government infiltrates, spy's on, creates and arms insurrections and manufactures economic
crisis on half of the world from South America to the Far reaches of Eastern Europe. We have become invaders, conquerors, masters of the universe in
our own minds. Our technological and military might has far exceeded our wisdom and the lessons we hard fought to learn in the short time our Country
has been in existence. In a sense, we have become what we most hated in others only 73 years ago. We arm our enemies when it suites us and drone
strike not only them but there families and innocents when it doesn't. A nation of greed, cowardice and hate.
That last statement is relative but ask yourself what you think the ratio is currently in this country when you compare these three qualities, greed,
cowardice and hate against morality, courage, admiration in ones self and his fellow citizens that they occupy a just and forward progressing nation
that is honoring the charter to which it was founded. I fear the numbers are not on the right side of the fence.
We seem to think when our troops come home ..this is all over. Like Vietnam and the North Vietnamese. The difference is, the North Vietnamese were
only ever AFTER South Vietnam. When they got it, there was nothing left to fight about except keeping everyone else out of it. The Jihadi fighters see
the world as the battlefield with campaigns...not distinct wars. If they weren't our enemies in 2001, then EVERY casualty since has families and
friends who are enemies now.
They are angry with the American government, not the American people in my opinion. If things were to change politically in this country, perhaps
there could be an understanding and reconciliation. That would be a best case scenario but if they are intent on killing Americans of whatever variety
then once the republic is restored, that issue can be addressed pointedly on a case by case basis without the need for propaganda, loss of freedoms
and rights and without fear mongering to the general public to further a selfish and self serving agenda. If force is warranted, I have no problem
doling it out, violence is human nature, violence without lies and propaganda is alien when it comes to government.
So how do we address an out of control Government without standing in a position of weakness to that very real enemy who either started the war or who
we created by the wars since....depending on who one asks?
No nation on Earth could ever hope to go to war with American people and win, even with a displaced government, the idea of invasion and occupation of
this country with over 300 million guns in circulation and the amount of veterans, reserves and para military law enforcement that would be on the
peoples side is absurd. The loss of life would be overwhelming and the rest of the world would not stand to watch it without intervention. We can not
fully address our grievances with other countries, religions or ethnic peoples until we address our own Domestic problem right here and by doing so, I
don't think anyone will think we are weak or vulnerable, how could they if we were successful in doing what most countries on Earth would all like to
edit on 8-3-2013 by Helious because: (no reason given)