North Korean Nuclear ICBM's On Standby

reply to post by Nuke2013

Let's say China is in it for the whole shabang and back NK

If it actually came to blows, China would likely annex NK before backing them. Then, it would deal with the UN to either keep it, or install a government friendly enough to all parties to maintain the buffer. China's customers are the UN...so it would never be in their best interests to actually go to war with any such forces.

That would be like a shop owner shooting everyone who comes in his store to buy something.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by Nuke2013

 

Let's say China is in it for the whole shabang and back NK

If it actually came to blows, China would likely annex NK before backing them. Then, it would deal with the UN to either keep it, or install a government friendly enough to all parties to maintain the buffer. China's customers are the UN...so it would never be in their best interests to actually go to war with any such forces.

That would be like a shop owner shooting everyone who comes in his store to buy something.

True, never thought about the annexing angle...That would be a smart move in their part actually !

reply to post by James1982


You won huh? Ok, what was the reason for going in, and was that reason achieved quickly?

reply to post by bekod


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Basicaly a fission a bomb is a flintlock rifle, and a thermonuclear bomb is a mini gun by comparison. The device North Korea tested was a fission a bomb, the yield was very low. Your statement said that all they needed was to check the material of the weapon to know if it works. It would be impossible to produce a thermonuclear bomb with a 6 kt yield.

Originally posted by CaptainBeno
They don't have ICBMs capable of carrying a nuclear device.

Bluffing,

and wanting an immediate ass kicking by the looks of it.

And what, pray tell makes you so confident in your assertion?

As if you or any of us has a clue What NK has or doesn't have...

reply to post by rockymcgilicutty

Funny you should mention that book. My husband and I have been saying the same thing - that N. Korea is pulling a Duchy of Grand Fenwick move. More than that - with China having co-sponsored and helped out with the writing of the latest sanctions, they are sending N. Korea a message that I hope Little Un hears loud and clear: China is not amused by the antics of N. Korea and will take steps to ensure they stop. I actually wouldn't put it past China to invade and occupy, er, I mean to offer to protect, N. Korea, and stop at the ROK border, having made its intentions clear to the other nations in the area prior to 'offering a socialist neighbor support and protection'. Once China has cleaned house of the ruling clique in N. Korea, maybe leaving Little Un in place to continue as the figurehead he is, I figure they will install a government more amenable to working with others. I also think that there will be reunification with ROK in 5 years with all sorts of assistance offered by ROK, Japan, China, Russia and the US. China doesn't want, can't afford and won't permit, N. Korea to go too much further down the nuclear road and will take the necessary steps to protect its interests in the area.

reply to post by concernedcitizen519


Too funny. Pretty sure the North has no technology to place a warhead at the end of a missile. Now if they were, and I believe they are, in cahoots with Iran......Things could get out of hand.

reply to post by steveo007


In cahoots with China/Russia/Iran good enough?

I kinda hope NK presses the button.

It would be a nice reason to make NK a sweet pock-marked sandy glassy beach.

And the world would be far better off.

Too funny. Pretty sure the North has no technology to place a warhead at the end of a missile. Now if they were, and I believe they are, in cahoots with Iran......Things could get out of hand.

Oh yes they do. (according to international analysts).

But, they don't have an ICBM capable of reaching further than the Pacific coast, so their threats of hitting DC are obviously false.

reply to post by smirkley


Yes, let's punish the civilians for their crazy government...isn't that what the terrorists who slammed into the trade centers thought as well?

Perhaps they won't put it on a rocket. Perhaps they will put it on a ship and bring it into a harbor? Ever think of that?

Tactical missile launches are stupid these days. Everyone can see them coming, and NK does not have known technology to move a missile any further than say Japan. If they did manage to get one airborne we most likely could shoot it down.

So who is to say they don't have something all neatly packaged already? A fission bomb is not as powerful as a thermonuclear bomb. Yes. But pack a fission bomb in a U-Haul truck and park it in front of the White House. Then see what happens. Could they do it? I don't know. And none of you know either.

BUT... they sure as hell could annihilate South Korea.. with or without nukes. They've got more artillery and conventional weapons pointed at SK then you could imagine.

Having read the article and followed what is going on here is what can be stated:

Welcome to round, well lost count over the years, ring the bell as a new round of rhetoric starts. NK has always spoke of agressive action when it comes to trying to get its way. It is not going to stop until it can get the 6 party talks going back at the table, this time it is trying to dicate when and how it is going to do such. Right now it is looking at its neighbor to the south and the country that is backing SK, the USA. Like many countries, as much as it hates the USA it wants the recognition from the USa as having a legitimate government, even though we do not have diplomatic relations with it.

Here is the problem as it stands: The old addage, a person is most dangerous when they have nothing and have to fight for everything. And North Korea is quickly loosing its reasons not to go to war, it has nothing, and everything to gain by starting a shooting war. It wants the talks to start up again, believing that the threats will give it a superior position at the table and that China will come to its aid if need be, which the Chinese government will do, as it will have no choice. Its tactics are flawed and ultimately will only create more of a mess than what already exists.

The question that should be asked, and what many are not, is what will happen if they do start a new round of a shooting war, by invading South Korea, and in particular the response of China, if it does break out? That should be the one question on everyones mind. During the first time, the Chinese government got involved as it could not handle the influx of refugees from North Korea, and that the fighting did shift to where it looked like it was going to spill right over into China. While a conventional war, I can see where the Chinese gets involved and helps out NK, the other question is what if nuclear weapons are used, will they be so willing to give aid and assistance then?

reply to post by DerekJR321


That is a more likely (and workable) scenario for NK. But, the repercussions would be the same.

Yes, let's punish the civilians for their crazy government...isn't that what the terrorists who slammed into the trade centers thought as well?

Luckily, technology has progressed to the point where we can punish the leaders, with minimum civilian casualties. Even if NK successfully launched a nuke that detonated over SK (an unlikely proposition, but hear me out), the US and allies would still only use conventional weapons, and still only hit military and political targets with an emphasis on completely destroying NK's ability to wage war. Basically, the same tactics used on Iraq, in the first days of the war (albeit with even more precision).

North Korea has perfected the art of playing the unstable lunatic with a death wish card, while playing the capability to wipe out nations card in their version of diplomatic talks. That's how you go about not getting invaded by the US, at least until now. A great deal of NK's trick is based around a total block on international eyes within their own borders, which is why the same trick could not be repeated by any other country, except possibly China and Iran, but unlikely.

The questions now are, is NK bluffing? Is there nuclear program anything other than a thousand microwave ovens strapped to a Soviet missile? What military capability do they actually have and will they have? What do we do?

China's concerns are simple, if the Korean peninsular turns in to all out war, China will be faced with the threat of millions of refugees and also with the outcome more than likely an NK defeat, an American puppet regime on its door step. Would China jump to the aid of NK? It would certainly be in their interest to keep the Communists in power, but at what cost? China reminds me a lot of the old Soivet Union, a mammoth of a country, a mammoth of man power, but with actually little capability when it comes down to it. However, this is changing, they are spending money, a lot of money, on military. However, I can still see the end being very much the same for China as it was for the Soviets, but not without flexing muscle first, but that's for another debate. The fact is China and if you want to include Russia, then Russia also, have a lot to lose in siding with NK, but have a fair bit to lose not siding with them.

Nobody can truly know what will come of this, the problem is China is expanding military spending so much so that many have pointed to them under reporting the true figure and at the same time, they have become more vocal in ramping up nationalism within its borders with regards to disputed maritime borders and ownership of islands. Its hard to say whether China simply want to turn Asia in to a market that benefits itself overall, much like America did to the West, or whether there is a greater threat to dominating, violently if necessary, over Asia and massively expanding territory. The same for NK with regards to the Korean peninsular. Are they reacting to a perceived threat and simply displaying a threat posture or is their intent far more sinister?

Like in questions asked mainly with regards to the years building up to the outbreak of WW2, every passing moment is a moment that history could look back on and ask, why didn't they act? At the same time history could look back on this and ask nothing because the human population has been decimated. This is a situation that has the marking of a spark that engulfs us all, far more than Iran and certainly Libya, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan combined, because this is on China's doorstep and nobody quite knows how China would react, let alone what kind of force North Korea truly is. When you look at it like that, we all have a lot to lose.

It's a rock and a hard place, but my gut feeling is that sooner or later, one side will act, it's just a case of which side will act first.

Originally posted by LibertyLover
reply to post by rockymcgilicutty

 

Funny you should mention that book. My husband and I have been saying the same thing - that N. Korea is pulling a Duchy of Grand Fenwick move. More than that - with China having co-sponsored and helped out with the writing of the latest sanctions, they are sending N. Korea a message that I hope Little Un hears loud and clear: China is not amused by the antics of N. Korea and will take steps to ensure they stop. I actually wouldn't put it past China to invade and occupy, er, I mean to offer to protect, N. Korea, and stop at the ROK border, having made its intentions clear to the other nations in the area prior to 'offering a socialist neighbor support and protection'. Once China has cleaned house of the ruling clique in N. Korea, maybe leaving Little Un in place to continue as the figurehead he is, I figure they will install a government more amenable to working with others. I also think that there will be reunification with ROK in 5 years with all sorts of assistance offered by ROK, Japan, China, Russia and the US. China doesn't want, can't afford and won't permit, N. Korea to go too much further down the nuclear road and will take the necessary steps to protect its interests in the area.

I agree that is a very reasonable scenario. China is fed up with N Korea and I also believe is taking stronger steps. But that won't be a popular theory on this site. Most members can't see any other scenario except the U.S is evil, the U.S will invade, the U.S started it. Oh my favorite , why is the U.S in S Korea, nobody seem's to remember that the korean war was a U.N police action, and that the U.S is still there at the request of the U.N to monitor the cease fire. China being a member of the U.N security council could very well go in to N Korea if it truly call's of the cease fire. Remember the war is not over and has no true armistice.

reply to post by Urantia1111


I would guess that it would depend on how many people are sympathetic to them (NK). It feels like the U.S. and others are always looking for an excuse to go to war. Gotta keep the public in fear so that we "need" the government officials to "keep us safe". I assume it could really equally go either way. If no one is willing to stand up for NK then it won't go far. However, our MSM could easily say that Venezuela and other countries are standing up for NK. This would allow the sheep to believe we need military intervention in those countries and we would be able to take them over and control them more easily than boring 'ole negotiations and diplomacy.

A. ) China will not supply the nuke warheads, as it knows that

1. Nukes in the hand of the unpredictable N.Korean military would be suicide for China if they go loco and fires upon China instead.


2. Those nukes if fired upon the free world, would be the end of China's economy, as it is interlinked with others in the free world. If the world is destroyed, its 1.3 billion peasants would go hungry overnight and launch a revolution of their own immediately.


B.) the only one whom could have supplied N.Korea with nuke warheads and even ICBMs is Iran. But with Israel's eyes on Iran, it would be difficult if not next to impossible that nukes would have gotten out of Iran.


C.) Missles would be fired FOR SURE, but as to its warhead, it may only be conventional warheads and not nukes. Thus, caution and eyes in the skies must be vigiliant at all times, as well as patriot missiles and missile shields fully tested and in operation. Conventional warheads can still kill.

The minute those N.Korean missiles are launched, we can kiss baby kim and selected military goodbye within minutes as the response will be terrifying, and a full attendent UN demanding the heads of Kim and his military handlers for the potential death of thousands of innocents.

The free world could launch a pre-emptive strike, but the problem is that sadly, FAR TOO MANY humans would prefer to see bloodshed before crying hypocritically. If the free world launches first, those hypocrites including UN Human Rights Council will be the first to scream bloody murder and condemn the free world for generations.

You can see these hypocrites even here. The free world had learnt, just too bad for the potential victims whom will have to die so that the hypocrites will shut their mouths.

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Originally posted by milkyway12
What exactly do you think China and North Korea has that we don't, 10 fold?

Electronic Warfare? Sound Wave technology? Rail guns? Awesome super bad dooper ship killing missiles? Magnetic technology? UV targeting? Star Wars?

If we can get it so can they.... as well as any other country in attendance at SOFEX.

Not only that but I just recently watched how VICE was able to get pretty close...

On the black market in Bulgaria enough money can buy anything from women and drugs to fully functioning nuclear warheads. Shane Smith and Eddy Moretti shop for dirty bombs in the Bulgarian black market. After you see the relative ease with which they were able to meet a real, in the flesh, black market arms dealer, you'll be stocking up on gas masks and radiation sickness pills. We know we are.