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Minimal postings.....Why are threads that reflect main stream views here allowed to stay?

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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 12:25 PM
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I have read and commented on threads that reflect my views, that have at least a paragraph (some two) that when I go back. Have been taken down, I have found they were removed for minimal post. Also I have seen threads with one line and a video clip or quoted text go to the home page. If you don't believe me go to todays home page and check.

I couldn't help but notice that the minimal threads that stay up tend to reflect the main stream views of this site. This has led me to speculate that there is a double standered. I can't help but wonder if the mods think of this and apply their views to the O/P's threads. Or are people who don't like the views are putting alerts on the threads.


If my former sentence is the case that shows a very narrow view some people have in their tolerance in debate of the topic..If the latter sentence applies, that may show a intent to censor debate that is in conflict with their views.

I understand and do agree with the T&C's on minimal post, and have had posts removed ( and agreed in both cases) I just don't feel that it is applied evenly.

So I guess my final questions are, in order for the threads to be removed for minimal post. Do the mods have to be alerted? Or can they remove the post with self action? Or both? How can a post with minimal O/P make it to the home page?
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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 12:31 PM
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Its all a conspiracy man, Im tellin you

Oh, and a popularity contest



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 12:54 PM
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Or a direct attempt at obfuscation of opposing opinions.

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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 01:40 PM
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You dont have an explanation how to create an avatar photo do you?
I am not very computer savvy but would love to post my smokingman avatar



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 01:47 PM
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I was going to suggest it.I will send you a I.M, do you know where to get those?
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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 01:51 PM
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I believe so, is it in my messages tab down below?



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 01:55 PM
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Yep, click the lower right ribbon, all the way on the left is new messages I can send you on how I did it. I am not great on the computer either, but I figured it out. If you still have problems there is a thread on ats. or you can ask a mod. But I will send you instruction first.



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 01:57 PM
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Cool! Thank you very much, I really appreciate it



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 04:11 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Hi rockymcgilicutty,

I can only answer from my perspective as a volunteer Staff member here, but I'd be glad to reply.

The number of Moderators here is very small in comparison to the massive number of new threads and posts a board this large sees in a day. At any time there may not be more than few of us here. We are all normal people with jobs and personal lives to attend to. In fact I'm posting from work right now. I stop by when I have some time and help as much as I can.

We rely strongly on members to use alert and complaints to help us do our jobs. Whenever there is a problem it really helps us if people are kind enough to let us know.

In the case of what you are asking about, at times we do not notice a minimal post until it's been up for long enough there are pages of discussion already posted. When that happens it's left up for the sake of those who are participating in the discussion. Sometimes a topic will catch on quickly and may be many pages long before the minimal OP is noticed.

We are normal people who volunteer to Moderate here and being normal people we at times do miss things. I know I truly appreciate those like you who take the time to ask questions and those who alert us to issues we have not noticed yet. I hope that helps to answer your questions.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 04:43 PM
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It does answer some questions and I thank you for your time. I guess by the reply that the way it is set up. I did have part of my answer. As in any society the majority will rule. Members who may just not like your ideas will use any means to stifle them.

I guess I just can't agree with the hipocrisy, of members that will go out of their way to alert on a thread that they don't agree with. But will not take that action if the thread fits their views. As evident by the number of minimal post that don't disagree with the mainstream views of this site that stay up.

So inadvertenly, the motto of the site, is Deny Ignorance. But only if your beliefs confirm the mainstream views.

Like I said earlier I have seen threads taken down with two full paragraphs. That did not meet mainstream views.There is a doublestandered on this site, and nobody will be able to Deny Ignorance, until a way is found to combat it.

Thank You for time and input.
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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 08:50 PM
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I am positive the viewpoint of the OP on any thread, unless it is against T&C, is not the reason threads are removed or not. It is not the purview of the Mods who is and is not popular or which way the mob goes. They are above such things as are most of the members imho. Threads are about content or style of presentation, sometimes they are just about fun. What stays up or goes down is not personal and is not a plot. Mostly it is happenstance.



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 09:50 PM
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I am positive the viewpoint of the OP on any thread, unless it is against T&C, is not the reason threads are removed or not.


So what you are saying, is that you can speak for everyone? I would love that if it could possibly be true. But people are people, some people do not like other opinions. They percive it as a threat, or don't want it heard. After all that is the topic many threads on this site refer to " suppression of evidence" the powers to be, whoever or where ever they may be, do actively try to stifle opinions. The way the anonymous alert system is set up makes it a tempting tool to quite someone who you either don't agree with, or don't like. While you can also be selective about who it is applied to. To be fair any thread that violates tc's should be removed by staff after they are notified that it is in violation of tc's. whether "popular" or not.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 05:50 AM
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Threads that violate T&C are removed, popular or not. I don't believe I used the royal we in my post, 'I' clearly indicates only myself. I also say imho which means 'in my humble opinion',


They percive it as a threat, or don't want it heard. After all that is the topic many threads on this site refer to " suppression of evidence" the powers to be, whoever or where ever they may be, do actively try to stifle opinions
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Anyone who perceives a threat in an opinion on a discussion web site, needs a healthy dose of perspective. Opinions are what this site is all about. I have not ever seen any evidence of stifling. Also if anything like that did go on, this place would clear out so fast your head would spin.



The way the anonymous alert system is set up makes it a tempting tool to quite someone who you either don't agree with, or don't like. While you can also be selective about who it is applied to.


I cannot speak to how members use the alert system. Personally I have only used for violations and not because I don't like what someone is saying. I use the 'back' button for that and find it highly effective. The other accusation is utterly false. No single Mod deletes posts. To imply any Mod here would use their abilities for personal agenda is egregious.
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posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 10:30 AM
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Threads that violate T&C are removed, popular or not


Here is a reply from a mod.




In the case of what you are asking about, at times we do not notice a minimal post until it's been up for long enough there are pages of discussion already posted. When that happens it's left up for the sake of those who are participating in the discussion.


Now to my complaint. Whether it has been up or not. Doesn't it still violate tc's? I said that to be fair All threads that violate tc's should be removed.




Anyone who perceives a threat in an opinion on a discussion web site, needs a healthy dose of perspective. Opinions are what this site is all about.


Ok let me rephrase the question.

Are you saying that in YHO that no one on this site, has ever used the TC's and alerted on a thread or post. To get that post removed, because they didn't like the opinion?

My point after the reply from a mod. Is that tc's should be applied when they are discovered regardless of popularity. That if tc's aren't enforced without bias they mean nothing and are open for abuse.

I agree that opinions are what this site is all about.
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posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 10:41 AM
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I think the reason so many of the well written threads get closed down is because they may have been dupe threads.

It only takes a few seconds to post a thread saying


Hey, lookit this cool story I found on the interwebs Way cool story, YOU GOTTA READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Meanwhile, the guy who's putting together a well written and thought out thread gets beaten to the punch by the lazy guy with the two line thread.

Rules are rules and the thread that went up first has precedence, although it would be nice if the mods were allowed to exercise a little discretion in these matters to discourage minimal posts and reward the folks who actually put a little time into their threads.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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Are you saying that in YHO that no one on this site, has ever used the TC's and alerted on a thread or post. To get that post removed, because they didn't like the opinion


No I am not saying that. Just because a post or thread is alerted, does not mean an action will be taken. Imho the Mods here are smart enough to discern any motive of a personal nature on the part of the alert.

Leaving a thread up because others have posted replies is not about popularity. The members who have replied deserve respect, that is what it is about. Doesn't matter who they are. Also I want to add, being here has a learning curve. Not everyone knows how to make a good thread in the beginning. At little tolerance is not a bad thing.

Many have attempted to discern a pattern of prejudice here in the way the site is moderated, the truth is there simply isn't one.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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I can see that to.

But I have I.M ed some threads with at least a paragraph or two, and been told they were removed for minimal post. I find it frustrating that most of the time they are not mainstream site views.

I believe the mod in his reply that most of the time the mods are clued in by alerts.I just find that system to easy for small minded people to manipulate.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Iamschist
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Are you saying that in YHO that no one on this site, has ever used the TC's and alerted on a thread or post. To get that post removed, because they didn't like the opinion


No I am not saying that. Just because a post or thread is alerted, does not mean an action will be taken. Imho the Mods here are smart enough to discern any motive of a personal nature on the part of the alert.

Leaving a thread up because others have posted replies is not about popularity. The members who have replied deserve respect, that is what it is about. Doesn't matter who they are. Also I want to add, being here has a learning curve. Not everyone knows how to make a good thread in the beginning. At little tolerance is not a bad thing.

Many have attempted to discern a pattern of prejudice here in the way the site is moderated, the truth is there simply isn't one.



Good answer,
I guess my basic question is why is there a TC on minimal posting? If all these exceptions overlook the rule, a rule is a rule, there should be no exceptions, or the rule should be removed. How can people follow the tc's if the rule are up for interpretation? If they are up for interpretation they are not rules they are suggestions.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 11:35 AM
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This has been a fun discussion and I thank you for helping me to hone my skills to say what I mean.



Good answer, I guess my basic question is why is there a TC on minimal posting? If all these exceptions overlook the rule, a rule is a rule, there should be no exceptions, or the rule should be removed. How can people follow the tc's if the rule are up for interpretation? If they are up for interpretation they are not rules they are suggestions


Information, debate and just plain fun seem to be the main ingredients here. To run it in a rigid 'rules are rules' kind of way would kinda hamper some of that. Interpretation implies more thought than I think goes into day to day moderating. There are actions taken by the Mods that require that, but mostly they are trying to put jello in a box with their hands.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 11:46 AM
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I always liked the analogy trying to nail jello to a wall a little better.






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