Conversation with A Christian, and Other Thoughts.

That I Pet Goat is definitely an ILLUMINATI production.

Just like religion in fact.

It is just another ZEITGEIST Trojan horse and covered with NWO fingerprints.

The entire NWO agenda revolves around removing God by creating mass hatred through false religion.

The elite created religion as a mind control tool with a hidden agenda that revolves around permanently separating us from God.

There is a stealth agenda behind ALL false religion and virtually every denomination and organization in Christendom has been infiltrated.

"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati..."

OPUS DEI-- War on Protestantism

The Vatican has infiltrated, or neutered and spayed, virtually every denomination and organization in Christendom. Various means have been used, but Opus Dei has played a major role in this.

Virtually 100% of the world's seminaries are in the pocket of the Roman Whore in that they use her Bible via the Alexandrian Gnostic Greek texts.

I am fully persuaded that Opus Dei and the Jesuits have already planted many of their agents in Baptist and Fundamental churches and schools.

I am convinced that many Fundamental Baptist churches are NOW pastored by Jesuits and Opus Dei agents. Many deacons and Sunday School teachers are now inside the Baptist movement teaching doctrines of Rome. You need to read the following articles so that you can watch for the signs that you too have an hireling planted in your church by the Vatican.

OPUS DEI-- War on Protestantism

"...he said we control some parts of the political world, some parts of economic world. He said we control all the churches except The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He said we have them in our control and he said that when we have political and economic control of the world we will then be able to establish our total spiritual program."

We Control all the Churches

The Real Conspiracy the Jesuit infiltration of Christianity

"...the goal is to infiltrate it with their compromising philosophies and attempt to destroy the Church from within."

Satan has infiltrated organized religion

Religion is a major tool of the Illuminati agenda

All false religions are illuminati mind control

reply to post by budski

Jesus was killed according to Christianity (saved alive according to other thoughts) because he was alone. and or he is still alone !
hypocrisy is a coin. on one side of it is corruption and the other side is radicalism. look at middle east. middle east is the home of Abrahamic religions. so we should find signs of hypocrisy there. middle east is where the fortune of world is dependent on it. the holy land.
from crusade of medieval to the crusade of Bush !
are not the Islamic Salafism (Saudies, Qaeda ...), christian-zionism and jew-zionism controlling our world.
it is a big lie that they do not use religion policies. yes they misuse people's beliefs very well.
which hypocrisy is bigger than their murder and corruption then they speak of God or even humanism !!!!!

Originally posted by maes2
...from crusade of medieval to the crusade of Bush !, christian-zionism and jew-zionism controlling our world.

Those controlling the world are NOT presidents, corporations, Jews or Christians.

The bible is VERY clear that the synagogue of Satan AKA Illuminati is made up of people who CLAIM to be jewish people but are not.

The Rothschilds and company CLAIM to be jewish.

The Synagogue of Satan are the true Global Elite

Jesus warned us about these people but thanks to all the LIES we have pretty much ignored what He had to say:

"I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars" ~ Revelation 3:9

Having gone to a cathlic shcool and mixing science with religion and feeling the pain of the 3 foot yard stick on my ass. When I turned 18 I stopped going to church and now I only associate a church with two things.....Weddings and death. Still a catholic at heart but don't practice the faith.

Faith is in the mind of the beholder and what you think is the right thing.... As I have always said advice is free how you want to use it is up to you but if you come back to me all I am going to say is "I told you So"
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B – But you advocate “every man for himself” when you talk about politics, how does that fit in with the teachings of Jesus about helping our fellow man?

C – Like I said, the two are entirely different things. One is an earthly question, the other is a spiritual question.

I stopped when i got to this part, obviously C is not a follower of jesus and has probably never read the bible he is just trying to rationalize his actions by denying what the bible tells us jesus did.
Not everything that jesus said and did was a metaphor for something spiritual, jesus gave free bread and fish to the multitude.

Originally posted by borntowatch
Its so tragic when some people hold Christians up to be perfect human beings beyond sin.
What a boring sensationalist thread.
Christians are just normal people with the same issues as every other person, trying very hard to live like Christ in a broken world.
Christians are saved by Gods grace, not charity works.
If Christians were perfect they wouldnt have needed Jesus.

If this justifies your comment "Christians are hypocrites" then well done, stating the bloody obvious.

Hey, I am a Christian and I am a hypocrite....happy now?

Christians are supposed to be born again, meaning shed the "old man" or sinful nature to become a spiritually advanced person. The holy spirit lives in them and their works reflect their faith, not just quoting the bible and actin like a douche-bag.

If you can't tell a Christian from an average Joe by their actions then you have a hypocritical Christian, who (according to the Christ) will suffer the pains of hell as well, just as a regular unrepentant sinner would.

Anyone can say they are christian but it doesn`t mean that they are. You can know what kind of tree you are looking at by the fruit it bears. If it has cherries on it then it is a cherry tree. nobody expects christians to be perfect just like trees aren`t perfect.If I`m looking at a tree that has apples on it, i`m pretty sure it`s an apple tree even if you try to tell me that`s it`s just an imperfect cherry tree.

Originally posted by budski
reply to post by Deetermined

 

Christians who do not support social welfare programmes are hypocrites is the basic premise, because based on the teachings of Jesus this is something they should not only support, they shouldn't even need asking or telling.

If you are referencing government run social welfare programs, your point is inane and highly judgmental.

Many Christians believe that a ngo would do a much better job using the same resources than the government.

A case in point is Headstart. There have been recent studies showing that their efforts are ineffectual. Compare that to the innovations being made in learning by the private sector or even to Montessori schools which have been around for ages. The differences are stark and enlightening.

Eric

BTW, I realize that I should read this whole thread before replying as someone has most likely had a similar response. In my defense, it is 12:15 am on a Thursday.

Originally posted by budski


It's usually (in my experience) the ones who shout loudest who are the biggest hypocrites.

Does that include you?

Can we say that some christians have evolved, whilst others are stuck in dogma?

edit on 7/3/2013 by budski because: (no reason given)

What, exactly, does 'evolving' mean in this instance? It seems like you are building a false dichotomy.

Eric

Originally posted by budski

Originally posted by jjkenobi
As far as I can tell the sole point of this post is to try to correlate someone being a Christian and being against having their taxes raised and distributed by the government. Complete nonsense.

Then you would be incorrect.

The level of reading comprehension has really gone downhill here over the last few years.

Have you considered that the fault may be in your lack of ability to clearly express what you are trying to convey?

For example, I'm not able to find the conspiracy in your op. Is that due to my lack of ability to comprehend, your ability to compose a well written post or a combination of both?

Eric

I will start with the premise that Christianity is a religion which literally means “follower of Christ” and that in this form, the new testament supersedes the writings of the old testament, because Christ was gods messenger on Earth, and he kind of wanted to get away from all the violence, fire and brimstone stuff and get us to love each other instead. (more on this later)

This is an untrue statement. Christ never came to abolish the law, in fact in his own words;

Matthew 5:17-18 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

I want to provide my own answers for the questions you asked him, but only the ones in which me and him disagree with each other.

B – How do you reconcile your beliefs (Christianity) and the teachings of Jesus with your political beliefs, given what Christ preached?

Though this may be specifically asked of him for various reasons (perchance his actions do not agree with his words), but in it's general form, I will answer as such; my political beliefs and "religious" beliefs are one in the same; in that everything I do believe in is not specifically garnered to one particular category of society. I vote for the one that shows godly, righteous qualities, if you will. I will not vote for a president, for example, for any selfish reason.

C – Yes, but that was a metaphor, and referred to a small gate in a walled city, through which large animals could not pass.

That was not a metaphor, and I don't know where he got that interpretation from. In context, Christ is referring to the man who claimed he kept all the laws and all the statutes and commandments, and asked Christ what he must do to enter Heaven. Christ replies, sell all you have and give it to the poor. Disheartened, the man left ashamed. This is because Christ knew where his heart was, and where it was not; and it was not in Christ.

In other words, I have a problem with hypocrisy in religion (and that applies to ALL religions)

I very much so agree.

It always seems that people will find a way to twist things to suit their own ends.

This is why it is said, in 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 -

21 Test everything. Hold on to the good. 22 Avoid every kind of evil.

When reading scriptures, I tend not to follow someone else's interpretation of it; rather I find it more enriching to study for thyself, testing everything I find in the scriptures; which ironically, scripture insists that you do, much like how the Berean jews tested everything that Paul had claimed about Christ - in..

Acts 17:11 - Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

And also,

2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

When a person refuses to study, you get your stereotypical Christian who knows not the Word of God, and indeed, practices lawlessness.

reply to post by windword

The problem with socialism and communism not fitting in with Christian beliefs is that these are rooted in Atheism #1.. and #2 Christians can better handle their own money and distribute it directly to those charities and poor who are in need... rather than having the gov confiscate it and redistribute it to themselves while the rest suffer. Really, who can honestly say here that the Government is good at handling money? LOL

i am a Christian and i am both liberal and a socialist, i also believe homosexuality is not a sin. i also believe capitalism goes against Jesus' teaching and that republican beliefs are more contrary to Jesus than inline with Him. i also am polyamorous and me and my wife share a girlfriend and i do not believe this is a sin either. i believe most people in the "christian church" are more evil than the ones outside of the church. lastly, i am also a hypocritic self absorbed sinner, and Jesus loves me. and if today were biblical days Jesus would be spending time with people like me, not the people in todays "church". and yes I will be in Heaven.

Originally posted by budski
It's usually (in my experience) the ones who shout loudest who are the biggest hypocrites.

Can we say that some christians have evolved, whilst others are stuck in dogma?

I would agree with that. Some christians are almost catholic, with rigid minds and bent onto converting anyone they meet, while many others actually oppose catholicism, and even consider natural evolution as compatible with Faith. I agree with you, it really depends.

Originally posted by Tardacus

B – But you advocate “every man for himself” when you talk about politics, how does that fit in with the teachings of Jesus about helping our fellow man?

C – Like I said, the two are entirely different things. One is an earthly question, the other is a spiritual question.

I stopped when i got to this part, obviously C is not a follower of jesus and has probably never read the bible he is just trying to rationalize his actions by denying what the bible tells us jesus did.
Not everything that jesus said and did was a metaphor for something spiritual, jesus gave free bread and fish to the multitude.

How can you tell anything from that small piece of conversation? What does "every man for himself" as it relates to POLITICS have to do with helping our fellow man? The OP didn't even tell us. As far as you know "C" might have been talking about one political party/affiliation against another in trying to pass certain legislation. The OP never told us why "C" chose not to give to the "poor, charities, and social welfare". This is all a one sided conversation with no back story.

Let me remind you, God let his own people wander in the desert for forty years for mumbling, groaning and complaining about what God did not do for them, when they wanted him to do it, and how they wanted him to do it. Christians should not be bashed for how they choose to help their fellow man.

OP, if you want to counter this by telling us exactly what "C's" position is and why, then maybe you have something worthy of discussing. Otherwise, it's just trolling and general Christian bashing. If that's the case, it didn't fit well with your second sentence in your original post.

Originally posted by swan001
Some christians are almost catholic,

And on a related note, most Catholics are Christians.

Eric

reply to post by Deetermined




All the information you need is in the OP.

Others have managed to grasp the message.

Perhaps subtlety isn't your strong point, in which case catholocism would be perfect for you as it appears you need to be led around by the nose, without the ability to think logically or critically about any point.

There is no back story, and anyone with an ounce of brains is well able to figure out the message.

Originally posted by Grace0f4babes
reply to post by windword

 

The problem with socialism and communism not fitting in with Christian beliefs is that these are rooted in Atheism #1.. and #2 Christians can better handle their own money and distribute it directly to those charities and poor who are in need... rather than having the gov confiscate it and redistribute it to themselves while the rest suffer. Really, who can honestly say here that the Government is good at handling money? LOL

No the problem is that good ideas are hijacked and subverted by men for their own purposes, just like the tenets that jesus proposed and lived by, according to scripture at least.

Originally posted by EricD

Originally posted by budski

Originally posted by jjkenobi
As far as I can tell the sole point of this post is to try to correlate someone being a Christian and being against having their taxes raised and distributed by the government. Complete nonsense.

Then you would be incorrect.

The level of reading comprehension has really gone downhill here over the last few years.

Have you considered that the fault may be in your lack of ability to clearly express what you are trying to convey?

For example, I'm not able to find the conspiracy in your op. Is that due to my lack of ability to comprehend, your ability to compose a well written post or a combination of both?

Eric

I keep having to say this.

All the information you need is there.

If people interpret it incorrectly, that's not my problem.

Incidentally, if you read back through the thread you will see that some people have indeed grasped the point.

Originally posted by budski
reply to post by Deetermined

 

All the information you need is in the OP.

Others have managed to grasp the message.

No, it's not. Quit lying. If the message was just to bash Christians, than you are on target.

If your message is that "some political affiliations" aren't in line with Christianity, you haven't proven squat.

Perhaps subtlety isn't your strong point, in which case catholocism would be perfect for you as it appears you need to be led around by the nose, without the ability to think logically or critically about any point.

If I was being led around by the nose, I would just accept your side of the story without asking for the back story of why "C" didn't believe the same way you do.

There is no back story, and anyone with an ounce of brains is well able to figure out the message.

Anyone with an ounce of brains would share why "C" felt the way he did in order for you to be able to draw such a conclusion in the first place.