Russian scientists discover unidentified bacteria in sub-glacial Lake Vostok

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posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 08:19 AM
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Can anyone explain to me what the obssession is lately with everyone blathering on about some zombie plauge? I mean, such a thing has NEVER happened before, certainly not as a dead certain result of a bacterial or virus based illness. Rabies is about the closest you get, and still not the same thing.



Just my take on this. We're dealing with something we haven't had contact with in 20million years, how do we know what if it were to get out today do. Would our immune system know what/how to do with this?
As you said, never happened before, but also nothing says something can't happen now.




posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by pslr2301
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Wouldn't be the first time mistakes were made or something escaped from a lab....

www.medicalnewstoday.com...]Foot And Mouth Virus May Have Escaped From Nearby Lab, England
genomebiology.com...]SARS escaped Beijing lab twice
www.bloomberg.com...]Baxter Sent Bird Flu Virus to European Labs by Error

I am sure I could find more if I dug around but one time is too many with some illnesses.



(I firmly believe that HIV belongs in with these as well.)


Those you have listed all have one thing in common that separates them from bacteria. They are all viruses.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by TrueBrit
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Can anyone explain to me what the obssession is lately with everyone blathering on about some zombie plauge? I mean, such a thing has NEVER happened before, certainly not as a dead certain result of a bacterial or virus based illness. Rabies is about the closest you get, and still not the same thing.
Zombie in the traditional movie sense, means that the sufferer is:
a) Already dead, having been killed by infection with the sickness that creates zombies.
b) Cannot be incapacitated unless beheaded, shot in the head, or having its central nervous system blown out in some way.
c) Creates further zombies by biting the uninfected.
d) Is ripe for having a piano dropped on its head by a middle aged woman.
If the issue creates any other circumstance, then you do not have a zombie issue. So anyway, whats the rub here? Why all the chatter on this subject?


What is your issue with middle aged women? Anyways, I am glad the vampire trend is over with. Some of the zombie talk could be promotional material for movies.

Zombie plague happens every day. People get bitten by the news, and it spreads, or goes viral, and people lose their common sense for their more primal natures, which reduces to kill or be killed. Like, every news article involving guns.

When it becomes more than a message, when it becomes an alien invader, captured by a foregin country, then there is intrigue - why do you struggle with the human condition, humans versus nature? The vostok germ could infect people with all sorts of strange abilities, not necessarily deadly. History proves that these little pathogens could take out large populations.

Add some end of days doom and maybe soon there will be the headline, scientists die of an apparent suicide, their coworkers kidnapped by what seems to be north korean rebels, as the illuminati use reverse engineered from aliens mind control ray beams to try to delete the internet's record that this tiny bug was an extinct variety of dinosaur dung microbe.

Or I could simply say it could be engineered bacteria, and it is not really new.

Or its a zombie virus. Which at the heart of the conspiracy is insulting to the origin of actual zombies, who are a product of back magic.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 10:29 AM
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All I am trying to say, is that this blather about zombies, in this thread, is unfounded, especially as it is being mentioned in the infectious disease equivalent of pin the tail on the bloody donkey, in terms of guessing what is down there.

I have yet to read of anyone suggesting that there could be lifeforms under that ice that are older than any live sample ever taken, and that the possibile learning to be done is potentially staggering, may even change our perception of the meaning of life. All that should have been said already, and furthermore, it should be said so often that the idiot debate of the potential risk to mankind, evidence of a pathetic amount of fear on the part of some members, is drowned out beneath the sound !



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 10:29 AM
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People are talking about a zombie apocalypse but in reality their is a fear growing for a pandemic virus.
If such a bacteria would reach the population it would be devastating. Our immune system would have no chance of fighting such virus.

My biggest fear is that this lake vostok is becoming pandora's box.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 10:40 AM
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Have you any idea how many bacteria you come into contact with every twenty four hours? Have you ever looked into how many are absolutely vital for your continued well being? It is worth mentioning, that we have as of yet...

A) No proof positive that the micro organism that has been found, is in fact a resident of the lake, being as there is quite some question as to wether the bacteria discovered was a contamination.

B) No remote IDEA of wether it may, regardless of what it is, be dangerous to human health.

C) No idea what the spread method is for this critter, or any of its attributes.

Until we at least have some idea of these things, is there any chance we can stop wetting ourselves for long enough to feel some wonderment? I mean where, in the name of all creation did all this FEAR come from!!? I can nearly smell it, and it makes me SICK. Fear is your pandemic. Luckily,it seems I am immune.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by NoJoker13
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Well again unlike yourself I won't be crawling into a ball anytime soon, at the very least if the entire human population were to be whipped out then what's next? I find the possibility enlightening.


A ball? How do you crawl into a ball? And really, how do you figure that the extinction of humans would be enlightening? Who would be left to be enlightened.

You make me sound like a Luddite, not interested in the new possibilities, who wants to put that bacteria back in the bottle and pretend there is nothing to gained here. What I'm saying is that, as more and more of the frozen areas of the planet thaw, many life forms that have remained dormant for eons may reemerge. To think they all will be gloriously beneficial is a bit Pollyannaish.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by Hijinx

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
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unidentified bacteria found, uncurable new virus comes about? Close to the same time....hmmmmm

I smell a conspiracy in the making.....Who wants to tackle the thread?


Except bacteria, and viruses are absolutely in every way two entirely different things and the incurable virus' you speak of are for lack of better words man made, due to the abuse of Anti-biotics. Drug Resistant bugs, are caused by in-proper use of Anti-biotics friend.
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Very interesting, if you're interested in bugs and the like. I agree with Chrisfishenstein. What is the point in telling the whole wide world about this discovery? And who is to say that this discovery happened at all? Maybe the story has been leaked out, but you're on safe ground on ATS with some 'specialist' getting excited about the event and soon debunking it into a non-event. Here, on this site, we've got 'experts' on anything you care to name. But there's one real difference : a real expert wouldn't even bother coming here.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 01:27 PM
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Reveal our past...you mean we had bacteria on the planet way back then????



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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Clearly you don't fully grasp scientific reasoning or understand expressions. I suggest you goggle "crawl into a ball" to educate yourself. Then maybe look into the universe and realize on the span of time we've been here for just an instant and the fact that we've survived this long is baffling. Clearly the unknown does not interest you so just stay safe inside your ball.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 02:20 PM
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maybe we can get it to fight against that new superbug going around?



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by pslr2301
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Wouldn't be the first time mistakes were made or something escaped from a lab....

www.medicalnewstoday.com...]Foot And Mouth Virus May Have Escaped From Nearby Lab, England
genomebiology.com...]SARS escaped Beijing lab twice
www.bloomberg.com...]Baxter Sent Bird Flu Virus to European Labs by Error

I am sure I could find more if I dug around but one time is too many with some illnesses.

(I firmly believe that HIV belongs in with these as well.)


it was pretty well proved by spread data that Lyme disease also was an escapee from the lab.


The Lyme disease is caused by a bacteria called Borrelia.
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posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 02:44 PM
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Thing is that most people don't understand these bacteria are ancient. These are primal entity's. Our modern immune system would be annihilated by these types of viruses.

Also how do modern day viruses get cured? Because they usual find a reference of an existing virus that shares some similarities. In this case what form of reference do scientists have against these ancient bacteria.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Senduko
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Thing is that most people don't understand these bacteria are ancient. These are primal entity's. Our modern immune system would be annihilated by these types of viruses.

Also how do modern day viruses get cured? Because they usual find a reference of an existing virus that shares some similarities. In this case what form of reference do scientists have against these ancient bacteria.



Yes and how do we know we won't run across one which is more intelligent then the known ones.


The similarities in the bacterial and neural network signaling systems are far more than superficial, wrote one researcher, Klaas J. Hellingwerf, in the April issue of the journal Trends in Microbiology. He found that the bacterial system contains all the important features that make neural networks work, leading to the idea that the bacteria have “a minimal form of intelligence.”


www.world-science.net...



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 05:16 PM
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Could this bacteria have possibly came from an asteroid



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by Senduko
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Thing is that most people don't understand these bacteria are ancient. These are primal entity's. Our modern immune system would be annihilated by these types of viruses.

Also how do modern day viruses get cured? Because they usual find a reference of an existing virus that shares some similarities. In this case what form of reference do scientists have against these ancient bacteria.


put them and the super bug in a petrie dish and see which one thrives but first mix the Vostok bacteria with human cells and see what happens of course. maybe they will turn out to be beneficial to us?



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 03:36 AM
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Exactly my sentiment. Imagine this SF scenario:

The bacteria has been hidden away form the humanity in deep freeze, until that time when a man has advanced enough to retrieve it. Once that happens, the bacteria introduces mutations in the human genome that promotes the human evolution to the next step that is obviously needed.

And...everybody lives happily ever after...

The End



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
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Exactly my sentiment. Imagine this SF scenario:

The bacteria has been hidden away form the humanity in deep freeze, until that time when a man has advanced enough to retrieve it. Once that happens, the bacteria introduces mutations in the human genome that promotes the human evolution to the next step that is obviously needed.

And...everybody lives happily ever after...

The End



the fountain of youth



posted on Mar, 10 2013 @ 12:09 AM
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The thing that bothers me is.....Do you really think Russa would tell us anything if they did find something? Do you really think that the US would tell us if they found anything? I find it hard to believe either way. Heck, they have probably known about the lake since the 20's and just now declassified it so us sheeple could read about it.



posted on Mar, 10 2013 @ 07:26 AM
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Hi everybody,
Further more first impression from original post about event : we found something big. Very big. Then : doubt, then in the end- it could be nothing. To me it looks strange. Talking for the sake of talk. 1. Did Russians say that samples will be analysed after they will reach Petersburg. question : how Petersburg profesor could yet coment on results if they still myles away? 2. What the hell are Uk, US, and Russians doing in there? To supply those projects needed milions hundred of milijons taxpayers moneys. Just to make a record of driling? Or anybody try to proove me that they work for the humanity better life. Free energy and all that sh..... . There will be no finances If: it is not for defence, military or weponary purpose. 2. "economical" trade, taking over of markets. Why on earth you will finance such a mission if there will be no money back? And yet we have not just one but at least three countreys working on the same project?..... I bet (I have nothing ageinst them and I appologese if it sounds) China and other countries have they "small" scientific expeditions on sub zero grounds. The real question to me WHY realy? The next think just speculiation from the beggining I mentioned about strangeness of article about Bacteria. Question to me : does somebody want to draw attention from meteorite event. Military exercise in the area. Then new bacteria discovered in the under ice lake which might be known or not known? Is there connection. And ABSOLUTELY as usual ignoring people rubish information about two meteorites. With all our powerfull technicks opticks and satelites in space, knowing up front EVERYTHING about meteorite closing up, I mean this is a hughe astronomic event (all they lives they wait for something to fly by, something to happend in our short humen life) and the closest flying meteorite passing by supported by that poor life shutting from some poor vilage? This is it this is all we can do? This is all our space curiosity about surrounding space objects, I mean we - humans spent bilijons to do much silly things (otr at least what we been told) and now could you please provide us simple people with at least decent 3D fotage on the subject. No. So I asume there was no economicall purpose to the event. I still coming back with my thouths to Admiral Beard expedition. There is something going on about that place we really miles away from knowing what and why.





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