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Originally posted by JrDavis
reply to post by Phage
No point in proving heavy metal toxicity. Ask your Dr. to do a hair analysis. Or urine, Since that seems to be more accurate.
If there wasn't such a thing as heavy metal toxicity we wouldn't use things like Chlorella to remove mercury from the body.
That is if you even believe in Mercury toxicity .
Please site the source showing Carnicom is a fraud.
And btw, The fibers present in morgellons are not Aluminum fibers. They aren't even Micron size fibers.
You can read all about the false report here.
www.carnicominstitute.org...
1. A laboratory in the southwestern United States was privately contracted in the fall of 1999 to identify an airborne environmental filament sample. The nature of this environmental filament has been discussed and researched extensively on this site over the subsequent years. A portion of this same sample was sent to the EPA for identification as noted above. The reason for contracting with the private company was because of the failure of the EPA to identify the material.
2. The laboratory report was issued in December of 1999 with joint responsibility of findings between three separate companies. The report claims to use the results of infra-red spectroscopic analysis and Polarized Light Microscope Analysis on the sample.
4. At the same time that the laboratory was conducting their tests, I also was conducting my own tests on this same sample material. The results of that testing process are extensively reported on within this web site. Certain primary conclusions were being reached on my side about the nature of the material such as size, chemical reactivity, microscopy results, conditions of collection and the like. Prior to the results being officially released, we were given the subjective information above relaying that the material "could be" a "spider's web". It was quite clear to me from my own analysis that the testing results were inadequate and inaccurate, as it was already evident that the material was not a "spider web". The final report claiming to use spectral analysis was then issued, and it was clear to me at this point that a contest of conclusions was in order. It was equally obvious through any reasoned analysis that the material was likewise not a wool fiber or any other obvious fabric or textile. Readers familiar with "counter arguments" of the period will also know that a commonly circulated theme by a relatively small group of vocal advocates was that the material was simply a "spider's web that had fallen from the sky."... There were also questions that had emerged from the spectral reports themselves.
You think there is none? No dust? But there is a lot of industrial pollution too.
You think Aluminum should be used in the air? You think any type of "Earth Metal" should be allowed to become vaporized and shot into the air.
And have been for a long time. It isn't "chemtrails".
Also, It seems you agree they are "Seeding" and using some of this technology now.
State and local governments. For example:
So who is the one that is watching over this?
Pretty much, but mostly during the summer. That's when it's most effective. They post public announcements in the areas where it's done.
They just use the technology whenever they want?
Doesn't look much like "chemtrails".
Does not always mean they are going to follow the rules and actually do that.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by JrDavis
I didn't say they were. I was showing you what chaff looks like.
And btw, The fibers present in morgellons are not Aluminum fibers. They aren't even Micron size fibers.
Carnicom's "red wine test".
www.aromadictionary.com...
"Morgellons"
www.mayoclinic.com...
5. At this point, it was obvious that a rather serious and important conflict of conclusions had developed. The first conflict arose from the failure of the EPA to identify the material on behalf of the public interest. The second conflict resulted from paid professional services that provided obvious and conflicting information to my own independent analysis of the material.
This shirk from proper investigation and disclosure of factual results is a disservice to the public welfare, benefit, interest and health.
The Institute will instead place its focus on the disclosure of information that serves the public benefit and welfare, such that further and needed urgent research can take place. The Institute is on record as opposing any proprietary developments that may develop from this research without the involvement of the Carnicom Institute. The public health interest and welfare is to remain as the paramount goal.
My own measurements of spider webs were in the order of seven microns and hair is on the order of 60-100 microns. The conclusion on the laboratory report simply had no justifiable metric basis. I again wondered privately whether or not the laboratory had made the effort to even measure as well as look at the filament in any detail.
You think a man who is going to give information to the public over western medicine is a fraud?
Originally posted by fiftyfifty
Originally posted by JrDavis
reply to post by Phage
No point in proving heavy metal toxicity. Ask your Dr. to do a hair analysis. Or urine, Since that seems to be more accurate.
If there wasn't such a thing as heavy metal toxicity we wouldn't use things like Chlorella to remove mercury from the body.
That is if you even believe in Mercury toxicity .
Please site the source showing Carnicom is a fraud.
And btw, The fibers present in morgellons are not Aluminum fibers. They aren't even Micron size fibers.
You can read all about the false report here.
www.carnicominstitute.org...
1. A laboratory in the southwestern United States was privately contracted in the fall of 1999 to identify an airborne environmental filament sample. The nature of this environmental filament has been discussed and researched extensively on this site over the subsequent years. A portion of this same sample was sent to the EPA for identification as noted above. The reason for contracting with the private company was because of the failure of the EPA to identify the material.
2. The laboratory report was issued in December of 1999 with joint responsibility of findings between three separate companies. The report claims to use the results of infra-red spectroscopic analysis and Polarized Light Microscope Analysis on the sample.
4. At the same time that the laboratory was conducting their tests, I also was conducting my own tests on this same sample material. The results of that testing process are extensively reported on within this web site. Certain primary conclusions were being reached on my side about the nature of the material such as size, chemical reactivity, microscopy results, conditions of collection and the like. Prior to the results being officially released, we were given the subjective information above relaying that the material "could be" a "spider's web". It was quite clear to me from my own analysis that the testing results were inadequate and inaccurate, as it was already evident that the material was not a "spider web". The final report claiming to use spectral analysis was then issued, and it was clear to me at this point that a contest of conclusions was in order. It was equally obvious through any reasoned analysis that the material was likewise not a wool fiber or any other obvious fabric or textile. Readers familiar with "counter arguments" of the period will also know that a commonly circulated theme by a relatively small group of vocal advocates was that the material was simply a "spider's web that had fallen from the sky."... There were also questions that had emerged from the spectral reports themselves.
I may be wrong but while mercury is a heavy metal with real health risks, isn't aluminium only about as toxic as copper? You ingest this daily through your drinking water. There is no evidence that aluminium levels are dangerous unless you can find an official document to prove otherwise.
Besides, a dangerous amount of alumium in the body would eventually cause death, nothing more, nothing less. IF 'they' wanted to outright kill us, it would be much easier and far, far cheaper to sneak it into the water supply or the food chain. ingestion is a much better way of getting it into your system than inhalation.edit on 7-3-2013 by fiftyfifty because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by JrDavis
You think a man who is going to give information to the public over western medicine is a fraud?
Yes. He is giving false information about "chemtrails" and Morgellon's.
What has he done to help anyone?edit on 3/7/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)
10. The next event in the meeting was entirely unexpected. At the end of the second of nine points to be raised, the president of the company immediately halted the discussion and my speech. The words that were uttered by this individual were the following: "This meeting is now adjourned."
Which is definitely not here on earth.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Ghost375
You mean clouds can't last for days? Ever spent time in Portland, Oregon?
Contrails are clouds.
edit on 3/7/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)
Read and you will know.
There's a motive behind it.
How do you know it for certain?
They are intentionally spraying clouds.
That much I know for certain.
Contrails do not lower temperatures, they have a heating effect. Contrails do not produce precipitation which reaches the ground.
They are using the cloud cover to lower the temperature, as well as cause increased precipitation.
Originally posted by fiftyfifty
Besides, a dangerous amount of alumium in the body would eventually cause death, nothing more, nothing less. IF 'they' wanted to outright kill us, it would be much easier and far, far cheaper to sneak it into the water supply or the food chain. ingestion is a much better way of getting it into your system than inhalation.
Originally posted by PolyATS
Aren't contrails "above" the clouds? I'd suspect it is pretty "dry" up that high. No?
high enough for ice crystals to condense out of the air, which is what causes both cirrus clouds and contrails to form.
Originally posted by Ghost375
They are intentionally spraying clouds.
That much I know for certain. They are spraying a more concentrated form in certain planes. So yes, they're just clouds. But there's more to it than that. There's a motive behind it.