reply to post by MildCat
Well, first, the personal 'you' references are misplaced. I'm neither Jew nor Israeli. I'm an American and I'm Wiccan if that actually matters for
anything. I have nothing in common with the State of Israel except that I have no desire to see their civilians murdered, needlessly. I'd say the same
for the Palestinians, by the way, and have many times. It does take TWO to fight ...and no one can say the Palestinians bring it all on any more than
it can be said the Israeli's do. They both do their fair share of pushing these days. Although, to say they are equal in any other way is absurd.
Again, Israel can obliterate the Palestinians to the last child. The Arabs cannot to the same. That shows restraint to one side.
Now as for this "rock up" in the 40's, that is sure ONE way of describing historical events. It's a very over-simplified and fundamentally flawed way
of describing it for it leaves out SO MUCH of material importance.
For example. the United Nations was set to make BOTH Israel and Palestine. There was never going to be "just" a Palestine. There was never meant to be
JUST Israel. It was intended, by WORLD effort, to be both Israel and Palestine.
Israel didn't like some of the details (or the Jews pre-Israel, to be specific) and so they jumped the gun by a bit and unilaterally declared Israel
ahead of the United Nations legal establishment of their nation. Ooops...
War followed. Instantly. A war which the Arabs started and the Arabs lost. The next few wars would be the same. Arab nations started them or were
about to (in one case) and then lost the wars. Always multiple nations vs. Israel. Always a TOTAL loss to the Arab side. Some with U.S. Support and
So, Israel has more than earned their place on the land. They've earned it in blood. However, and this is the IMPORTANT PART, Israel is a Nation
recognized by the world and has been, if not before, a legal and world wide recognized nation since the Camp David Accords of 1979.
When someone can figure a way to erase all the factual treaties, declarations and legal moves of the past, we can say Israel isn't legal or a nation.
Until then, they are legal and are a nation. So says the world and so it must be until changed by law or war. War has NEVER gone well....I hope they
have the intelligence to avoid attempting it again. Israel isn't likely to lose this time, either.
edit on 7-3-2013 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)