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posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by Hopechest
Israel has as much right to that land as the Palestinians do, Jews never left completely, so whoever has the biggest guns should keep it.


There ya' go.


Everyone back the heck off ... the USA ... Iran ... Syria ... Saudis ... etc ... and just let the Israelis and the Palestinians duke it out. No help to either of them from anywhere else. Whoever is left standing in the end gets that stupid little piece of land. Get it over and done with.




posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by Hopechest

Nope, who says they will use nukes?

Back off and let Israel defend herself. The Jews have as much claim to that land as the Palestinians do. Remember, they never had an established country there, they were Nomads living by the sea, they've never ruled and they've always shared it with Jews.


It's about time Israel had to defend itself, for the last 60 years you have been a constant thorn in the side of humanity and human dignity. Your apartheid persecution of the Palestinians, attacks on your neighbours and discraceful contempt for the international community has gone on for far too long, and hopefully you will be put back in your place.




Originally posted by Hopechest
Here's the thing,

When the Palestinians develop a history of constant persecution for their religion, lose millions of people to death, they can have some sympathy.


See the last 60 years


Originally posted by Hopechest
As it stands, they are simply rejects that no other Arab nations want and were stupidly promised something, they had no right too, by they British.


They want them to have their own country, free from the cancer that has taken over it.


Originally posted by Hopechest
They were supposed to help overthrow the Ottoman empire, which they didn't, we did, and Britain held up their end of the agreement when they shouldn't have.


No you didn't. Stop talking utter nonsense.


Originally posted by Hopechest
Sorry but Jews have always been in that land also, they are persecuted, so they have more justification to have it.
edit on 6-3-2013 by Hopechest because: (no reason given)


Oh you poor, poor Jews. After all the hard work you put into raping entire economies and leaving with the profits, after all the hard work you put into selling your own people out. You didn't seriously expect sympathy, did you?



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 07:42 AM
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It is not about comparing ones suffering to to other.

The Jews have suffered a lot through history but does that give them the right to do the same to the Palestinians? Just because they have suffered does not make their terrorist actions justifiable.
edit on 6/3/13 by Todzer because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 07:43 AM
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Don't be fooled guys, what ever comes out of Obama's mouth is pure blasphemy.

It's just a media diversion tactic. He needs to re-affirm things with Natenyahu on their "invasion" plans for Iran.

Peace



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 07:46 AM
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I really don't care who wins.

Give it all to the Jews or give it all to the Arabs. I will sleep just fine either way.

I was only making an historical observation. Usually those most persecuted need more protection.

Your agruing with a wall but Peace anyways my friend.



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 07:46 AM
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The Palestinians only took over that area because after the Romans marched out all the Jews is was a place for them to squat.

What do you think the Jews did? This area belonged to the Sumerians long before David was even born.




Many Jews were able to stay however so yes, they've always had a presence in that land though not an overriding one.

So why should they have a overriding one?



The reason we gave them the right to return is because of the global prosecution against them. I certainly don't want anything bad to happen to the Palestinians either but to say its their land is a fabricated myth put forth by sympathizers.

If you do some checking you will find that they were the cause for them being persecuted. And the land belonging to the Palestinians isn't myth it's fact. "This land belongs to us because it belonged to us in the past" is the myth.



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by Hopechest
Here's the thing,

When the Palestinians develop a history of constant persecution for their religion, lose millions of people to death, they can have some sympathy.

As it stands, they are simply rejects that no other Arab nations want and were stupidly promised something, they had no right too, by they British.

They were supposed to help overthrow the Ottoman empire, which they didn't, we did, and Britain held up their end of the agreement when they shouldn't have.

Sorry but Jews have always been in that land also, they are persecuted, so they have more justification to have it.
edit on 6-3-2013 by Hopechest because: (no reason given)

People have been mean to us throughout history so give us what we want. Jews aren't the only people that has been persecuted throughout history.


Like I said, lets compare.

Show me the agression against Palestinians and Jews throughout history.

Put your money where your mouth is.

I said Jews aren't the only ones persecuted throughout history. People of every race and religion has been persecuted throughout history.



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by Todzer
reply to post by Hopechest
 


It is not about comparing ones suffering to to other.

The Jews have suffered a lot through history but does that give them the right to fo the same to the Palestinians? Just because they have suffered does not make their terrorist actions justifiable.


Yes it does, tell me you won't go through this and fight back constantly.




posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 07:53 AM
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Sorry I am on a phone at the moment so could you give me a description



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by Hopechest
Here's the thing,

When the Palestinians develop a history of constant persecution for their religion, lose millions of people to death, they can have some sympathy.

As it stands, they are simply rejects that no other Arab nations want and were stupidly promised something, they had no right too, by they British.

They were supposed to help overthrow the Ottoman empire, which they didn't, we did, and Britain held up their end of the agreement when they shouldn't have.

Sorry but Jews have always been in that land also, they are persecuted, so they have more justification to have it.
edit on 6-3-2013 by Hopechest because: (no reason given)

People have been mean to us throughout history so give us what we want. Jews aren't the only people that has been persecuted throughout history.


Like I said, lets compare.

Show me the agression against Palestinians and Jews throughout history.

Put your money where your mouth is.

I said Jews aren't the only ones persecuted throughout history. People of every race and religion has been persecuted throughout history.


How dare you.

Its people like you that will let this happen again.

If we don't remember how will we ever stop it. I don't like the persecution against the Palestinians either...I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT.....but just tell them to get along damnit. I don't know.

I just want the children, on both sides, to quit being hurt.

Sorry



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by MildCat
 



I really don't care who wins.

Give it all to the Jews or give it all to the Arabs. I will sleep just fine either way.

I was only making an historical observation. Usually those most persecuted need more protection.

Your arguing with a wall but Peace anyways my friend.


If a person is constantly being persecuted when do you stop to think is this person doing something to deserve being persecuted? In history Jews have been driven out over a hundred countries there is no way all these countries could be wrong.



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 08:00 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by MildCat
 



I really don't care who wins.

Give it all to the Jews or give it all to the Arabs. I will sleep just fine either way.

I was only making an historical observation. Usually those most persecuted need more protection.

Your arguing with a wall but Peace anyways my friend.


If a person is constantly being persecuted when do you stop to think is this person doing something to deserve being persecuted? In history Jews have been driven out over a hundred countries there is no way all these countries could be wrong.


How dare you!

That is the most evil thing I've ever heard said.

Nobody deserves hate...NOBODY not the Jews not the Palestinians....HOW DARE YOU!

I have to leave now....the tears are simply flowing to much.............



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 08:02 AM
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A quick question for you, if my family were persecuted and killed and I went out murdering people and taking their belongings, would my actions be justified?

That is basically what your argument boils down to.



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by buster2010
In history Jews have been driven out over a hundred countries there is no way all these countries could be wrong.

Sure those countries driving people out could be wrong.
But dont' forget .. everyone has driven the 'palestinians' out as well.
They've been kicked out of a whole lotta' places.

So if supposedly no one wants the jews in their country .. and no one wants the Palestinians in their country ... then why is everyone so upset about them not getting along in that tiny little bit of land in the Middle East? Going by what you said ... if a group of people are continually kicked out of different countries then both the Jews and the Palestinians must be pretty awful and they deserve each other and the unending war that they have. Right?



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by Hopechest


How dare you!

That is the most evil thing I've ever heard said.

Nobody deserves hate...NOBODY not the Jews not the Palestinians....HOW DARE YOU!

I have to leave now....the tears are simply flowing to much.............


Nobody deserves hate? Sorry, but you are totally wrong. When people behave like the population of Israel does, when they behave like how the settlers behave, when people behave like how those who organise discriminaton on public transportation throughout Occupied Palistine behave, hatred should be seen as a generous response.



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by Hopechest
Here's the thing,

When the Palestinians develop a history of constant persecution for their religion, lose millions of people to death, they can have some sympathy.

As it stands, they are simply rejects that no other Arab nations want and were stupidly promised something, they had no right too, by they British.

They were supposed to help overthrow the Ottoman empire, which they didn't, we did, and Britain held up their end of the agreement when they shouldn't have.

Sorry but Jews have always been in that land also, they are persecuted, so they have more justification to have it.
edit on 6-3-2013 by Hopechest because: (no reason given)

People have been mean to us throughout history so give us what we want. Jews aren't the only people that has been persecuted throughout history.


Like I said, lets compare.

Show me the agression against Palestinians and Jews throughout history.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Agreed, the "jews" have been kicked out of every country in the world at one time or another, and only in the past 60 or so years the Palestinians have been the israeli terrorists whipping boy.
Did you ever stop to think that there is a reason why the "jews" are constantly shown the border?
Chosen people...
You know there have been others who claimed to be the master race.
I say the US takes back all of it's weaponry and cuts funding and lets those terrorists fight their own battles.



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by MildCat
hatred should be seen as a generous response.

.... perfect example of why there will never be peace in the Middle East.
Both Israel and the Palestinian Authority (and Hamas) have done evil things.
No one has clean hands in the Middle East. No one.
The blood is everywhere ...



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 08:09 AM
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The land the Palestinians claim actually belonged to the two tribes of Jewish folk. The Tribe of Gad and the Tribe of Benjamin I believe it was. Jacob was banging his slave and had a couple half-blood kids. Those two kids started their own Tribes and were in present day Palestine.

The Full Blooded Jews chased them out of there and they headed north - north-west. And are currently the white people in Germany and England.

Technically if you go back through the historical record the German and British people and their descendants now in America have the strongest legal claim to the land now called Palestine.

Can you imagine how much better history-and the world would be if the Jewish Full Blooded Tribes didn't chase away their brothers and sisters?

Saudi Arabia financed the Pakistani nuclear bomb program in exchange for a few bombs of their own. They're the ones pushing Obama against Israel.

Us mutt blooded Christians our Jewish brothers chased away.....we still support our brothers and sisters over there even though you don't like us. Give 'em he11 Israel. You got to neutralize the Saudi nuke threat to keep yourselves free and to survive.



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by Hopechest
Here's the thing,

When the Palestinians develop a history of constant persecution for their religion, lose millions of people to death, they can have some sympathy.

As it stands, they are simply rejects that no other Arab nations want and were stupidly promised something, they had no right too, by they British.

They were supposed to help overthrow the Ottoman empire, which they didn't, we did, and Britain held up their end of the agreement when they shouldn't have.

Sorry but Jews have always been in that land also, they are persecuted, so they have more justification to have it.
edit on 6-3-2013 by Hopechest because: (no reason given)

People have been mean to us throughout history so give us what we want. Jews aren't the only people that has been persecuted throughout history.


Like I said, lets compare.

Show me the agression against Palestinians and Jews throughout history.

Put your money where your mouth is.

I said Jews aren't the only ones persecuted throughout history. People of every race and religion has been persecuted throughout history.


How dare you.

Its people like you that will let this happen again.

If we don't remember how will we ever stop it. I don't like the persecution against the Palestinians either...I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT.....but just tell them to get along damnit. I don't know.

I just want the children, on both sides, to quit being hurt.

Sorry

Yes I dare to play with the victim card that some Jews play namely the Zionist. Unlike you who only seems to remember that only Jews have been persecuted throughout history. How long have blacks been used as slaves? Since before the time of David. Asians have also been treated almost as badly. Christians have been persecuted from day one and are still being persecuted in places of the world.

You don't like the persecution against the Palestinians but they can just get along. Why not tell the people that illegally immigrated 60 years ago and since then to get along.






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