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Hugo Chavez: The War On Demcracy

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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by Char-Lee

s investigation into CIA’s assassination plots on foreign leaders in 1975 it was revealed that the agency had developed a poison dart gun that caused heart attacks and cancer. The gun fired a frozen liquid poison-tipped dart, the width of a human hair and a quarter of an inch long, that could penetrate clothing, was almost undetectable and left no trace in a victim’s body.


guardian.co.tt...


Come on now - a heart attack AND cancer? Isn't that a bit of overkill? Where's the sport in that? Guy dies of a heart attack, he doesn't live long enough to develop the cancer!

To think in the Old School they just chuffed a bit of calcium cyanide into the targets face and kept on walking - even kept on walking, and whistling, when he fell down dead 30 or 40 yards behind you.

Things sure have come a long way since the days of us old dinosaurs!




posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by ArtooDetoo

What @ElectricUniverse is writing has nothing to do with her experience, every post can be boiled down to what you usually hear on the Fox News. Same points same conclusions. Experience you say, how about I used to work with people from former socialist republic of Yugoslavia, and every single one of them said that they lived a wonderfull life before the ethnic tensions and war.
Now what ?
What im trying to say is, socialism does not equal totalitarianism and dictatorship. What the banner in ElectricUniverse avatar really should say is "Revolt against DICTATORSHIP" unless your'e ignorant to believe that socialism equals dictatorship.


Are you serious?... Should we take a look at fascists, socialists dictators and what their ideology brought to their people?...

Perhaps you are completely ignorant on the facts surrounding the ideology you choose to believe in blindly and with no real proof whatsoever.


Karl Marx in his own manifesto wrote, and I quote :The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

www.notable-quotes.com...

This is part of the reason why the Obama administration has wanted, and still want to ban all firearms from the citizenry. He wants us defenseless, and more, and more dependent of govenrment, so we do what he wants us to do.

That is the truth of socialism/marxism/ and fascism

Those who control all resources are the masters, and those that have no resources become puppeteers to the socialist dictatorship that always occurs.

One part of me abhors this because I know where it will lead us to, but another part tells me perhaps the only way to wake up people from this indoctrinated state, and break the indoctrination to show the truth, well some pain never kills anyone right?... Except that this pain [socialist/fascist system] will seek to forever destroy the good values of good nations and good people.

The Nevezuelans in power will use the death of their dictator as a sign that it is the time to strike. But fortunately they are not in command, only China and Russia are.

Anyway, unfortunately it will happen. You just have to choose to be on the side that is in favor of ALL INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, including free speech, the freedom to own and bear arms and use them as we see fit, and the freedom to live our lives as WE INDIVIDUALLY see fit to live it...

That or you are with the people that want to make everyone the same, you have very restricted, or no individual rights, since the collective rights are more important. You see, under socialism/communism, if you own anything, it means you are taking that from someone else, and the state gets involved, takes control of everything, and gives out RATIONS that you have to PAY. What this means is that old little you and your friends won't own a house EVER, and if you have one now the UN policy implementations will make you move away from your property and you will be placed in a small cubicle with your family. If you start protesting too much for it, you get sent to jail/re-indoctrination camps" where they brainwash you to become a puppeteer for them. If you continue fighting they will put you down like a dog.

You might even get William Ayers, Obama's mentor, and this is what an undercovert FBI agent found these powerful people doing as a plan for the United States.





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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 08:59 AM
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They are just trying to cover their mess up. He didn't die when this was announced, he died at least since Christmas as the former ambassador to Caracas reaffirmed. The Dictatorship wanted more time to make sure their dictatorship is in place and wanted more time to come up with new and more excuses... But when the ambassador spilt the beans it was too late for the Chavistas...

Now of course they try to divert attention by claiming "the United States did it"....



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 09:04 AM
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Would it surprise you If the US did? seeing they tried to get Castro 8 times and failed....nah you would have only cocked up Chavez's assassination as well...so yes natural causes.



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 09:07 AM
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I was giving you an example of another person who did the same.
It can be done. It is done. It's not uncommon for a person to swoop in
and claim to be 'of the people' and yet all he does is rob the people.
I know it can be done, I don’t live in a bubble I know full well that power corrupts but telling me others have done it does not mean Chevez has done it or that it amounts to billions


And yet you believe the pro-Chavez propagandist prattle. Good for you ...
Nope. Unlike you I am prepared to look at the evidence at hand. You are not providing any that show Chevez has stolen billions yet there are CIA documents showing the USA has used millions to set up coups against him and the other S American leaders.

Did you look at the documentaries linked to in this thread? What did you make of the shooting incident on the bridge where the world press once again edited the footage to fit a completely different story? Please comment on that and not hearsay.

Please comment on why the USA backed an illegal coup to overthrow Chevez, a democratically elected president? Fact. Please comment on that and not examples of others that have stolen from their country.

Do you really think that it is correct to use the USA tax payers money to destabilise other democracies and remove democratically elected parliaments justified by 'It conflicts with the USA's interests?





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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74

Also this 2 billion thing I would love to see proof because I have only seen western media say it is true.



"Western media"? has Chavez somehow become "eastern"? Is Venezuela in the east now?

DAMN that plate tectonics!



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
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They are just trying to cover their mess up. He didn't die when this was announced, he died at least since Christmas as the former ambassador to Caracas reaffirmed. The Dictatorship wanted more time to make sure their dictatorship is in place and wanted more time to come up with new and more excuses... But when the ambassador spilt the beans it was too late for the Chavistas...

Now of course they try to divert attention by claiming "the United States did it"....


It did my heart good by giving me a laugh to see one poster claim "the CIA gave him cancer!" then, right on cue, along came another to claim the CIA had magic cancer-causing invisible darts that also gives out heart attacks as an added bonus.



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 09:24 AM
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You know what I meant the news networks which we have in the UK and the states you know the ones that lie all the time.
Fox news for example the only news network which is allowed to tell lies knowingly and get away with it.
foxnewsboycott.com...



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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Libertarianism was born on the Left.


It's possible that the word was coined there, but that's not where the philosophy was born. There was no "left" or "right" when people first experienced freedom.



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Daedalus
so is he actually really honestly truly for real dead this time?

i could have sworn he died last week...and he also died two or three months ago..

just trying to get clarification on this..


Hmm.... His illness was shrouded in mystery and spent lots of time in Cuba. It's my guess he's still alive, but that's just a guess.



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by nenothtu
 


You know what I meant the news networks which we have in the UK and the states you know the ones that lie all the time.
Fox news for example the only news network which is allowed to tell lies knowingly and get away with it.
foxnewsboycott.com...


Well, it gets very confusing when people try to realign the world into an "east-west" paradigm, force it into a mold in which it doesn't fit, and then claim that western places are not western, and eastern places are not eastern. Sort of along the lines of "war is peace", "freedom is slavery", etc.

Say what you mean and mean what you say - your "east-west" paradigm is lacking.



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 12:23 PM
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Probably the first time I've ever seen a dictator die and gets some genuine sorrow. Where does Venezuela go from here ?
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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by VonDinkinDunken
Not everyone can afford even the cheapest of digital cameras; much less have access to the internet. Also, in most of Caracas, pulling out a camera would certainly draw the unwanted attention of someone with a gun who wants your digital camera. its not a very good idea to let anyone see you with one of you have one.


Look what i found on daily mail (of all places)


CAPTION - Momentous: The crowd held out their mobile phones and cameras
to capture the historic moment




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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 12:54 PM
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I wish people would stop calling him a dictator he was elected fair and square.
If you do not think so prove it.

Oh and Exit
nice find.
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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
I wish people would stop calling him a dictator he was elected fair and square.
If you do not think so prove it.


Well .. it's kind of hard to hold fair elections with all sides of an issue being discussed, when Chavez holds control over all the media. Any opposition to his policies are met with very swift retaliation. So who is going to run against him? And what exactly are they going to say? Are they going to take a chance and disagree with Chavez in public? And what media is going to cover the opposition to Chavez since Chavez totally controls the media?

Election? Yes.
Balanced and fair? I don't think so.



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 01:07 PM
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RIP Chavez...

They only want one thing. Control..




posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by nenothtu
 


They are just trying to cover their mess up. He didn't die when this was announced, he died at least since Christmas as the former ambassador to Caracas reaffirmed. The Dictatorship wanted more time to make sure their dictatorship is in place and wanted more time to come up with new and more excuses... But when the ambassador spilt the beans it was too late for the Chavistas...

Now of course they try to divert attention by claiming "the United States did it"....


It did my heart good by giving me a laugh to see one poster claim "the CIA gave him cancer!" then, right on cue, along came another to claim the CIA had magic cancer-causing invisible darts that also gives out heart attacks as an added bonus.





But a fair number of cancers are clearly caused by viral or bacterial infections:



For some of these cancers, nearly 100% of the cases have an infectious link—when researchers check to see if a virus or bacterium is working in the tumor or has left signs of its presence in a patient’s blood, the answer is nearly always yes.


I don't understand the blindness! Read the historical data on American attacks of leaders they want dead! read the congressional hearing reports on the ice bullet to deliver disease or fake heart attack chemicals.

These things are facts not fantasy! It is being done! has been done...what world are you living in?


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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 01:59 PM
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Why I don't move to venezuela?
I live in Austria.
We have 4% unemployment, 100% of the workforce is unionized. We get cheap immigrant labor for jobs austrians don't want to do from germany.
From 2000 to 2007 we had a neoliberal chancelor who had reached 3rd place in the elections, who had to use a secret tunnel to attend his swearing in, because of protests.
They "eliminated the deficit" by selling state property (For some wierd reason that only eliminated the deficit for a year, and made it bigger in the following year)
They also bought some ridiculously expensive planes, nobody wanted or needed. Most corrupt bunch of people to ever run this place, but that was OK, because they were conservatives...

RIP Hugo.
I am pretty sure the busdriver will win the elections and do just as good a job as you did! He sounds like a pretty together guy...



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by nenothtu
 


They are just trying to cover their mess up. He didn't die when this was announced, he died at least since Christmas as the former ambassador to Caracas reaffirmed. The Dictatorship wanted more time to make sure their dictatorship is in place and wanted more time to come up with new and more excuses... But when the ambassador spilt the beans it was too late for the Chavistas...

Now of course they try to divert attention by claiming "the United States did it"....


It did my heart good by giving me a laugh to see one poster claim "the CIA gave him cancer!" then, right on cue, along came another to claim the CIA had magic cancer-causing invisible darts that also gives out heart attacks as an added bonus.



Saddens me that anyone would find it "funny". You know if someone was given cancer and didn't die soon enough to make them happy they may inject them with heart attack drug. You really need to read more real straight history!



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 02:58 PM
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I watched the documentary The War on Democracy. And it was really informative. But what i dont get is why about 70% of comments i read on yahoo(yes a horrible source) were happy the guy was dead. But yet there's still the 30%. Now i know our US Government likes to manipulate the news(the 4th branch) and try to convince the masses to follow their "agenda" Im just confused on what to believe about the guy, i honestly dont know to much about him just from i watched. Can someone inform a little and give an honest opinion on rather he was a good or bad guy?



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